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17.10 font hinting broken?

Luca Olivetti
I just upgraded to 17.10[*] and, as every time I upgrade, the fonts
sucks: I like my fonts crisp, so I hate antialiasing at the normal font
sizes.
OTOH without aliasing most fonts have bad hinting and look awful, so I
use fonts with good hinting (msttcorefonts), aliasing disabled between 8
and 15 points and full hinting.
This usually fixes the problem with bad fonts, but this time it doesn't:
it seems that it doesn't do hinting at all and the fonts are badly
rendered (just like they usually do with the autohinter).

I tried both using the kde fonts settings (which writes
~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf [**]) and linking (in /etc/fonts)
conf.avail/10-hinting-full.conf to conf.d but I couldn't fix the problem.

At the moment I had to enable aliasing for all font sizes and my eyes
are bleeding (though they bled even more without the correct hinting).

Any hint (no pun intended)?

[*]side note: it didn't propose the upgrade even if I have enabled in
discover the setting to show all upgrades, I had to upgrade manually
with do-release-upgrade

[**]side note 2: it seems that kde cannot parse back the fonts.conf it
writes, since, e.g., it shows the aliasing as "disabled" when I just
enabled it and it wrote fonts.conf.


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Re: 17.10 font hinting broken?

Martin van Es
Been there, done that:
https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-63792

libfreetype 2.8.1 can be downloaded from
https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/updates/+sourcepub/8306970/+listing-archive-extra

Plasma 5.11.1 is in backports.

You'll be left with bad bold and italics hinting, but that's low
priority bug according to the triaging verdict of Qt.

Martin

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Luca Olivetti <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I just upgraded to 17.10[*] and, as every time I upgrade, the fonts sucks: I
> like my fonts crisp, so I hate antialiasing at the normal font sizes.
> OTOH without aliasing most fonts have bad hinting and look awful, so I use
> fonts with good hinting (msttcorefonts), aliasing disabled between 8 and 15
> points and full hinting.
> This usually fixes the problem with bad fonts, but this time it doesn't: it
> seems that it doesn't do hinting at all and the fonts are badly rendered
> (just like they usually do with the autohinter).
>
> I tried both using the kde fonts settings (which writes
> ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf [**]) and linking (in /etc/fonts)
> conf.avail/10-hinting-full.conf to conf.d but I couldn't fix the problem.
>
> At the moment I had to enable aliasing for all font sizes and my eyes are
> bleeding (though they bled even more without the correct hinting).
>
> Any hint (no pun intended)?
>
> [*]side note: it didn't propose the upgrade even if I have enabled in
> discover the setting to show all upgrades, I had to upgrade manually with
> do-release-upgrade
>
> [**]side note 2: it seems that kde cannot parse back the fonts.conf it
> writes, since, e.g., it shows the aliasing as "disabled" when I just enabled
> it and it wrote fonts.conf.
>
>
> Bye
> --
> Luca
>
>
>
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Re: 17.10 font hinting broken?

Martin van Es
And the setting bug I reported:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384586

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Martin van Es <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Been there, done that:
> https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-63792
>
> libfreetype 2.8.1 can be downloaded from
> https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/updates/+sourcepub/8306970/+listing-archive-extra
>
> Plasma 5.11.1 is in backports.
>
> You'll be left with bad bold and italics hinting, but that's low
> priority bug according to the triaging verdict of Qt.
>
> Martin
>
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Luca Olivetti <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I just upgraded to 17.10[*] and, as every time I upgrade, the fonts sucks: I
>> like my fonts crisp, so I hate antialiasing at the normal font sizes.
>> OTOH without aliasing most fonts have bad hinting and look awful, so I use
>> fonts with good hinting (msttcorefonts), aliasing disabled between 8 and 15
>> points and full hinting.
>> This usually fixes the problem with bad fonts, but this time it doesn't: it
>> seems that it doesn't do hinting at all and the fonts are badly rendered
>> (just like they usually do with the autohinter).
>>
>> I tried both using the kde fonts settings (which writes
>> ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf [**]) and linking (in /etc/fonts)
>> conf.avail/10-hinting-full.conf to conf.d but I couldn't fix the problem.
>>
>> At the moment I had to enable aliasing for all font sizes and my eyes are
>> bleeding (though they bled even more without the correct hinting).
>>
>> Any hint (no pun intended)?
>>
>> [*]side note: it didn't propose the upgrade even if I have enabled in
>> discover the setting to show all upgrades, I had to upgrade manually with
>> do-release-upgrade
>>
>> [**]side note 2: it seems that kde cannot parse back the fonts.conf it
>> writes, since, e.g., it shows the aliasing as "disabled" when I just enabled
>> it and it wrote fonts.conf.
>>
>>
>> Bye
>> --
>> Luca
>>
>>
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Re: 17.10 font hinting broken?

Luca Olivetti
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El 21/10/17 a les 13:57, Martin van Es ha escrit:
> Been there, done that:
> https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-63792
>
> libfreetype 2.8.1 can be downloaded from
> https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/updates/+sourcepub/8306970/+listing-archive-extra

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

My eyes are extremely grateful

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Re: 17.10 font hinting broken?

Martin van Es
And bold/italics can be fixed as well!
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376630

Just remove all ",Regular" in .config/kdeglobals font configuration
and do the same in .config/Trolltech.conf for normal Qt applications.

I now have all crisp fonts back!

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Luca Olivetti <[hidden email]> wrote:

> El 21/10/17 a les 13:57, Martin van Es ha escrit:
>>
>> Been there, done that:
>> https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-63792
>>
>> libfreetype 2.8.1 can be downloaded from
>>
>> https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/updates/+sourcepub/8306970/+listing-archive-extra
>
>
> Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
>
> My eyes are extremely grateful
>
>
> Bye
> --
> Luca
>
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Re: 17.10 font hinting broken?

Luca Olivetti
El 23/10/17 a les 13:01, Martin van Es ha escrit:
> And bold/italics can be fixed as well!
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376630
>
> Just remove all ",Regular" in .config/kdeglobals font configuration
> and do the same in .config/Trolltech.conf for normal Qt applications.

I have no trace of "Regular" in both those files, yet bold fonts are
badly rendered. Not a biggie, since there are not many places where bold
fonts are used.
Note that I only upgraded libfreetype, not plasma, maybe that's the problem.

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Re: 17.10 font hinting broken?

Martin van Es
Maybe it's another word. The problem is, the font query is too
specific and should end with ,0 like this (I use Ubuntu 9):
Ubuntu,9,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0

So maybe there's "Medium" or even a localized version of "Regular"
there for you? It's under the [General] settings.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Luca Olivetti <[hidden email]> wrote:

> El 23/10/17 a les 13:01, Martin van Es ha escrit:
>>
>> And bold/italics can be fixed as well!
>> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376630
>>
>> Just remove all ",Regular" in .config/kdeglobals font configuration
>> and do the same in .config/Trolltech.conf for normal Qt applications.
>
>
> I have no trace of "Regular" in both those files, yet bold fonts are badly
> rendered. Not a biggie, since there are not many places where bold fonts are
> used.
> Note that I only upgraded libfreetype, not plasma, maybe that's the problem.
>
>
> Bye
> --
> Luca
>
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Re: 17.10 font hinting broken?

Luca Olivetti
El 23/10/17 a les 15:47, Martin van Es ha escrit:
> Maybe it's another word. The problem is, the font query is too
> specific and should end with ,0 like this (I use Ubuntu 9):
> Ubuntu,9,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0
>
> So maybe there's "Medium" or even a localized version of "Regular"
> there for you? It's under the [General] settings.

Yes, found it, in my case it was "Normal". I removed it and all is well.

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