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I've got used to using 2 monitors from using my laptop and large
screen to support my lectures. It's gotten so that I like it so much that I use a regular monitor with it at home, and prefer working on it over using my (much more capable) desktop. This is silly. I've retired, and don't really need a laptop any more. I should just add one or two extra monitors to my desktop, but I tried and it failed miserably. 1) the existing board had several connectors, so I tried using two of them. No joy, only one would be recognized. 2) I tried a card that had been donated to a charity I work for (with permission from the manager). When I tried just putting it in without an attached monitor, X would not even start. I was in a rush, and did not try it with a monitor. It's quite possible the card is broken anyway. 3) I realized I'm in slightly over my head. So, given that I have a large PCI-E slot and a regular PCI-X slot empty, I'm wondering... 1) Should I expect X to manage 2 cards, and if so what should I do besides just plugging them in? 2) Could the problem have been missing drivers for the added card, and if so how should I go about finding them? I tried this on 11.04, but plan to go to 12.04 soon. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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From U 10.11 thru to 12.04 and Fedora 14 to 16 I've been using 2
monitors no problems. X works fine for me. I have a Geforce 8600gts video card about 3 or more years old which has 2 slots. Roger > I've got used to using 2 monitors from using my laptop and large > screen to support my lectures. It's gotten so that I like it so much > that I use a regular monitor with it at home, and prefer working on it > over using my (much more capable) desktop. > > This is silly. I've retired, and don't really need a laptop any more. > I should just add one or two extra monitors to my desktop, but I > tried and it failed miserably. > 1) the existing board had several connectors, so I tried using two of > them. No joy, only one would be recognized. > 2) I tried a card that had been donated to a charity I work for (with > permission from the manager). When I tried just putting it in without > an attached monitor, X would not even start. I was in a rush, and did > not try it with a monitor. It's quite possible the card is broken > anyway. > 3) I realized I'm in slightly over my head. > > So, given that I have a large PCI-E slot and a regular PCI-X slot > empty, I'm wondering... > 1) Should I expect X to manage 2 cards, and if so what should I do > besides just plugging them in? > 2) Could the problem have been missing drivers for the added card, and > if so how should I go about finding them? > > I tried this on 11.04, but plan to go to 12.04 soon. > -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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From U 10.11 thru to 12.04 and Fedora 14 to 16 I've been using 2
monitors no problems. X works fine for me. I have a Geforce 8600gts video card about 3 or more years old which has 2 slots. Roger > I've got used to using 2 monitors from using my laptop and large > screen to support my lectures. It's gotten so that I like it so much > that I use a regular monitor with it at home, and prefer working on it > over using my (much more capable) desktop. > > This is silly. I've retired, and don't really need a laptop any more. > I should just add one or two extra monitors to my desktop, but I > tried and it failed miserably. > 1) the existing board had several connectors, so I tried using two of > them. No joy, only one would be recognized. > 2) I tried a card that had been donated to a charity I work for (with > permission from the manager). When I tried just putting it in without > an attached monitor, X would not even start. I was in a rush, and did > not try it with a monitor. It's quite possible the card is broken > anyway. > 3) I realized I'm in slightly over my head. > > So, given that I have a large PCI-E slot and a regular PCI-X slot > empty, I'm wondering... > 1) Should I expect X to manage 2 cards, and if so what should I do > besides just plugging them in? > 2) Could the problem have been missing drivers for the added card, and > if so how should I go about finding them? > > I tried this on 11.04, but plan to go to 12.04 soon. > -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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On 06/22/2012 11:06 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> I've got used to using 2 monitors from using my laptop and large > screen to support my lectures. It's gotten so that I like it so much > that I use a regular monitor with it at home, and prefer working on it > over using my (much more capable) desktop. > > This is silly. I've retired, and don't really need a laptop any more. > I should just add one or two extra monitors to my desktop, but I > tried and it failed miserably. > 1) the existing board had several connectors, so I tried using two of > them. No joy, only one would be recognized. > 2) I tried a card that had been donated to a charity I work for (with > permission from the manager). When I tried just putting it in without > an attached monitor, X would not even start. I was in a rush, and did > not try it with a monitor. It's quite possible the card is broken > anyway. > 3) I realized I'm in slightly over my head. > > So, given that I have a large PCI-E slot and a regular PCI-X slot > empty, I'm wondering... > 1) Should I expect X to manage 2 cards, and if so what should I do > besides just plugging them in? > 2) Could the problem have been missing drivers for the added card, and > if so how should I go about finding them? > > I tried this on 11.04, but plan to go to 12.04 soon. > as long as you have the nVIdia driver installed using twinview in the setup and write out the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. I have run two monitors off of one card long time. Nary a burp in the barrel. Now, I have two nVidia cards, that are identical, each in a PCI-E slot. Again, with the nVidia drivers installed, I had to select "Separate X-Screen" to get them both working with one monitor per card. I hope to add two more to get a total of 4 monitors. I'll look like a blooming stock exchange around here. Killing space aliens will be too KeWl. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Ric Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 06/22/2012 11:06 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: >> >> I've got used to using 2 monitors from using my laptop and large >> screen to support my lectures. It's gotten so that I like it so much >> that I use a regular monitor with it at home, and prefer working on it >> over using my (much more capable) desktop. >> >> This is silly. I've retired, and don't really need a laptop any more. >> I should just add one or two extra monitors to my desktop, but I >> tried and it failed miserably. >> 1) the existing board had several connectors, so I tried using two of >> them. No joy, only one would be recognized. >> 2) I tried a card that had been donated to a charity I work for (with >> permission from the manager). When I tried just putting it in without >> an attached monitor, X would not even start. I was in a rush, and did >> not try it with a monitor. It's quite possible the card is broken >> anyway. >> 3) I realized I'm in slightly over my head. >> >> So, given that I have a large PCI-E slot and a regular PCI-X slot >> empty, I'm wondering... >> 1) Should I expect X to manage 2 cards, and if so what should I do >> besides just plugging them in? >> 2) Could the problem have been missing drivers for the added card, and >> if so how should I go about finding them? >> >> I tried this on 11.04, but plan to go to 12.04 soon. >> > What make of video card do you have?? With nVidia, it's a piece of cake as > long as you have the nVIdia driver installed using twinview in the setup and > write out the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. I have run two monitors off of one > card long time. Nary a burp in the barrel. > > Now, I have two nVidia cards, that are identical, each in a PCI-E slot. > Again, with the nVidia drivers installed, I had to select "Separate > X-Screen" to get them both working with one monitor per card. I hope to add > two more to get a total of 4 monitors. I'll look like a blooming stock > exchange around here. Killing space aliens will be too KeWl. > :) Ric I had a total mobo failure about a year ago, and a pretty thorough brain transplant performed on an emergency basis by a local computer shop. Thus, I'm unusually vague about what's inside. I have not installed special drivers, just whatever Ubuntu had lying around, nor do I recall doing anything with xorg.conf, so if I did, it was not memorable. Here's /etc/X11/xorg.conf: # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig # nvidia-xconfig: version 270.41.06 ([hidden email]) Mon Apr 18 15:15:12 PDT 2011 Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Layout0" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" EndSection Section "Files" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # generated from default Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # generated from default Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Unknown" HorizSync 28.0 - 33.0 VertRefresh 43.0 - 72.0 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Device0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Device0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Here's what the kernel says: root@treat:/proc# cat driver/nvidia/gpus/0/information Model: GeForce 8400GS IRQ: 24 Video BIOS: 70.18.7a.00.00 Card Type: PCI-E DMA Size: 40 bits DMA Mask: 0xffffffffff Bus Location: 0000:01.00.0 root@treat:/proc# And the gpus directory has only that one "0" subdirectory. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> So, given that I have a large PCI-E slot and a regular PCI-X slot > empty, I'm wondering... > 1) Should I expect X to manage 2 cards, and if so what should I do > besides just plugging them in? In general, X is happy with two monitors on one card, and anything else is still considered esoteric. There are a few multi-card setups that are known to work, and several that don't. In general, you will need to co-operative cards and a non-free driver that works with both. I'm pretty sure that this works in NVidia with the right cards, their driver and their Twinview tool, but it does leave your setup's reliance very much in the hands of NVidia -- Avi -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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On 24 June 2012 16:33, Avi Greenbury <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Kevin O'Gorman wrote: >> So, given that I have a large PCI-E slot and a regular PCI-X slot >> empty, I'm wondering... >> 1) Should I expect X to manage 2 cards, and if so what should I do >> besides just plugging them in? > > In general, X is happy with two monitors on one card, and anything else > is still considered esoteric. There are a few multi-card setups that > are known to work, and several that don't. > > In general, you will need to co-operative cards and a non-free > driver that works with both. I'm pretty sure that this works in NVidia > with the right cards, their driver and their Twinview tool, but it does > leave your setup's reliance very much in the hands of NVidia Sounds more or less right. In my experience, by rule of thumb rather than hard-and-fast absolutes: * a pair of 2 identical single-port cards is fairly likely to work * if cards need proprietary drivers, make sure both need the *same* driver - e.g. 2 nVidias of the same generation, or 2 ATIs of the same generation * a pair of 2 cards where the drivers are FOSS, good, modern & support multihead has a fair chance * don't mix & match cards where one requires a proprietary drive & the other doesn't * don't mix & match cards that need proprietary drivers - e.g. 1 × ATI + 1 × nVidia * don't mix generations - e.g. random old weird thing + modern card is not a good choice. * if you have motherboard graphics + an AGP slot, you can't combine them; only 1 AGP device at a time is possible. AGP+PCI works, though -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: [hidden email] • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: [hidden email] • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Liam Proven <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 24 June 2012 16:33, Avi Greenbury <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Kevin O'Gorman wrote: >>> So, given that I have a large PCI-E slot and a regular PCI-X slot >>> empty, I'm wondering... >>> 1) Should I expect X to manage 2 cards, and if so what should I do >>> besides just plugging them in? >> >> In general, X is happy with two monitors on one card, and anything else >> is still considered esoteric. There are a few multi-card setups that >> are known to work, and several that don't. >> >> In general, you will need to co-operative cards and a non-free >> driver that works with both. I'm pretty sure that this works in NVidia >> with the right cards, their driver and their Twinview tool, but it does >> leave your setup's reliance very much in the hands of NVidia > > Sounds more or less right. > > In my experience, by rule of thumb rather than hard-and-fast absolutes: > > * a pair of 2 identical single-port cards is fairly likely to work > > * if cards need proprietary drivers, make sure both need the *same* > driver - e.g. 2 nVidias of the same generation, or 2 ATIs of the same > generation > > * a pair of 2 cards where the drivers are FOSS, good, modern & support > multihead has a fair chance > > * don't mix & match cards where one requires a proprietary drive & the > other doesn't > > * don't mix & match cards that need proprietary drivers - e.g. 1 × ATI > + 1 × nVidia > > * don't mix generations - e.g. random old weird thing + modern card is > not a good choice. > > * if you have motherboard graphics + an AGP slot, you can't combine > them; only 1 AGP device at a time is possible. AGP+PCI works, though > > -- > Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Thanks. Looking at the nvidia stuff on this card, and what you wrote, it seems I should be able to put 2 monitors on this one card. However, I can't seem to figure out how to configure this. nvidia-xconfig generates a config with a single monitor section, identical except for whitespace to what I have now. Adding the --enable-all-gpus option produces an error message to the effect that it could not figure out how many gpus there were. None of the other options seemed likely to help. I'm starting to wonder if a fresh install of 12.04 might figure this out for me. I was going to wait for 12.04.1, but this might encourage me a bit. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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On 06/24/2012 09:28 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> I had a total mobo failure about a year ago, and a pretty thorough > brain transplant performed on an emergency basis by a local computer > shop. Thus, I'm unusually vague about what's inside. I have not > installed special drivers, just whatever Ubuntu had lying around, nor > do I recall doing anything with xorg.conf, > so if I did, it was not memorable. > > Here's /etc/X11/xorg.conf: > # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig > # nvidia-xconfig: version 270.41.06 > ([hidden email]) Mon Apr 18 > 15:15:12 PDT 2011 > Great, it says you have an nVidia driver installed. So, just look for your nvidia X-server settings app, that should be in your menu, and use THAT to set up your dual display. You have to deal with the nVidia settings using this as it will save the amended xorg.conf file so that your new settings will work the next time you reboot. With one card, two monitors, use twinview. Once you see that, it should be a cakewalk. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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On 06/24/2012 11:33 AM, Avi Greenbury wrote:
> Kevin O'Gorman wrote: >> So, given that I have a large PCI-E slot and a regular PCI-X slot >> empty, I'm wondering... >> 1) Should I expect X to manage 2 cards, and if so what should I do >> besides just plugging them in? > > In general, X is happy with two monitors on one card, and anything else > is still considered esoteric. There are a few multi-card setups that > are known to work, and several that don't. > > In general, you will need to co-operative cards and a non-free > driver that works with both. I'm pretty sure that this works in NVidia > with the right cards, their driver and their Twinview tool, but it does > leave your setup's reliance very much in the hands of NVidia So far, for quite a few years, they have not let me down once. Your most basic system setup is in the hands of your bios, so we're always in the hands of someone. Then it becomes a matter of self-interest, whether to trust them or not. nVidia has played nice with the Linux community to a point. It would be best to not pee on their shoes for doing that much. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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On 06/24/2012 03:26 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Liam Proven <[hidden email]> wrote: >> On 24 June 2012 16:33, Avi Greenbury <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> Kevin O'Gorman wrote: >>>> So, given that I have a large PCI-E slot and a regular PCI-X slot >>>> empty, I'm wondering... >>>> 1) Should I expect X to manage 2 cards, and if so what should I do >>>> besides just plugging them in? >>> >>> In general, X is happy with two monitors on one card, and anything else >>> is still considered esoteric. There are a few multi-card setups that >>> are known to work, and several that don't. >>> >>> In general, you will need to co-operative cards and a non-free >>> driver that works with both. I'm pretty sure that this works in NVidia >>> with the right cards, their driver and their Twinview tool, but it does >>> leave your setup's reliance very much in the hands of NVidia >> >> Sounds more or less right. >> >> In my experience, by rule of thumb rather than hard-and-fast absolutes: >> >> * a pair of 2 identical single-port cards is fairly likely to work >> >> * if cards need proprietary drivers, make sure both need the *same* >> driver - e.g. 2 nVidias of the same generation, or 2 ATIs of the same >> generation >> >> * a pair of 2 cards where the drivers are FOSS, good, modern & support >> multihead has a fair chance >> >> * don't mix & match cards where one requires a proprietary drive & the >> other doesn't >> >> * don't mix & match cards that need proprietary drivers - e.g. 1 × ATI >> + 1 × nVidia >> >> * don't mix generations - e.g. random old weird thing + modern card is >> not a good choice. >> >> * if you have motherboard graphics + an AGP slot, you can't combine >> them; only 1 AGP device at a time is possible. AGP+PCI works, though >> >> -- >> Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile > > Thanks. Looking at the nvidia stuff on this card, and what you wrote, > it seems I should be able to put 2 monitors on this one card. > However, I can't seem to figure out how to configure this. > > nvidia-xconfig generates a config with a single monitor section, > identical except for whitespace to what I have now. Adding the > --enable-all-gpus option produces an error message to the effect that > it could not figure out how many gpus there were. None of the other > options seemed likely to help. > > I'm starting to wonder if a fresh install of 12.04 might figure this > out for me. I was going to wait for 12.04.1, but this might encourage > me a bit. > > Use "nvidia-settings". It should be on your program menu and in /usr/bin THAT sets up dual monitors, as it's a little bit more complicated than some script can handle. You will have to configure the second monitor, agree that it is identified and set as expected, then select twinview if you're using one card/two monitors, position the respective monitors to their physical location ...which is right and which is left, the second monitor should come to life and if all appears correct, then you look down in the lower right corner to the "Save to X configuration file" button and save it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf. It should ask for your passwd to proceed. I highly doubt you will set it up any other way. This isn't hard, but I don't think that xconfig can make all these choices for you correctly, so it doesn't try. Been doing this long time, it works. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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On 24 June 2012 20:26, Kevin O'Gorman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Thanks. Looking at the nvidia stuff on this card, and what you wrote, > it seems I should be able to put 2 monitors on this one card. > However, I can't seem to figure out how to configure this. > > nvidia-xconfig generates a config with a single monitor section, > identical except for whitespace to what I have now. What Ric said is correct. You are using the wrong control panel. It is not nvidia-xconfig you want, it's `nvidia-settings`. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: [hidden email] • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: [hidden email] • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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