I have a spare 8GB of data that will expire today if I don't use it, so
I am thinking about upgrading Kubuntu from 20.04 to 20.10. I read somewhere that there was, or perhaps still is, a problem with Thunderbird of some sort. Has this been resolved? -- Regards, Phil -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
On 21/11/2020, Phil <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I have a spare 8GB of data that will expire today if I don't use it, so > I am thinking about upgrading Kubuntu from 20.04 to 20.10. > > I read somewhere that there was, or perhaps still is, a problem with > Thunderbird of some sort. Has this been resolved? > > -- > Regards, > Phil > > My problem with T-bird is still unresolved, so my installation on UbuntuMATE 20.10 is still unusable. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 20:58:09 +0000, Bret Busby wrote:
>On 21/11/2020, Phil <[hidden email]> wrote: >> I have a spare 8GB of data that will expire today if I don't use it, >> so I am thinking about upgrading Kubuntu from 20.04 to 20.10. >> >> I read somewhere that there was, or perhaps still is, a problem with >> Thunderbird of some sort. Has this been resolved? >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Phil >> >> > >My problem with T-bird is still unresolved, so my installation on >UbuntuMATE 20.10 is still unusable. Isn't Thunderbird the perfect candidate for a snap? IIRC it even does not use OpenPGP by the user's install anymore, but it's own implemented OpenPGP. IOW IIUC Thunderbird is already more or less a container by itself and doesn't interact much with the given infrastructure. I suspect there aren't issues when running it as a snap. My understanding is that Thunderbird is already Smartphone-ware alike ;). -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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On 22/11/20 6:58 am, Bret Busby wrote:
> My problem with T-bird is still unresolved, so my installation on > UbuntuMATE 20.10 is still unusable. Thanks Bret and Ralf for your replies. I waited for a couple of hours before upgrading Kubuntu and I only forfeited about 5.5GB. I haven't encountered any problems and I'm pleased with the new look of Thunderbird. -- Regards, Phil -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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Am Samstag, den 21.11.2020, 22:26 +0100 schrieb Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users: > > Isn't Thunderbird the perfect candidate for a snap? it is !!! https://snapcraft.io/thunderbird ;) ciao oli -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
you use thunderbird in kubuntu!? they used to ship with k-mail or something ... a few versions ago when i was using. On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 at 16:51, Oliver Grawert <[hidden email]> wrote: hi, -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
On 23/11/2020, Akash Rao <[hidden email]> wrote:
> you use thunderbird in kubuntu!? they used to ship with k-mail or something > ... a few versions ago when i was using. > Synaptic shows kmail as being available in 20.10; gmail as not being available (packages for gmail, show as being available, but, not gmail itself) But, in 20.10, knowing what is the name of a package, can be difficult, with package names hidden, to obscure what is the name of the package. One good example, is gedit, which I frequently use, which, whilst synaptic shows it as having the name gedit, the menu shows it as having the name "Text Editor", so as to hide from the user, exactly what is the applicable text editor - whether it is gedit, kwrite, gvim, a GUI variant of emacs, or, some Notepad variant, or, one of the other many available text editors. Another good example, is the menu entry "Web", under Applications -> Internet ; the listed package name does not even indicate the nature of the package - whether its use is to establish a connection to the web, to analyse web traffic, or, whether it is a web browser. I believe that "Web" is the encrypted name for the Epiphany web browser, but, I am not sure. I do not know whether this obstructing access to applications packages, by concealing the names of the packages, is a "feature" of UbuntuMATE 20.10, or, the new look of Ubuntu, itself. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
Am Montag, den 23.11.2020, 10:41 +0000 schrieb Bret Busby:
> > > I do not know whether this obstructing access to applications > packages, by concealing the names of the packages, is a "feature" of > UbuntuMATE 20.10, or, the new look of Ubuntu, itself. > it is a "feature" of the GNOME design team trying to simplfy GNOME in a way that users do not need to know application names but onl their functions by the desktop entry, you will find it in all official GNOME apps (Totem -> "Videos", gedit -> "Editor", Epiphany -> "Web", etc). has nothing to do with Ubuntu, this just gets inherited from upstream. ciao oli -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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> Am Montag, den 23.11.2020, 10:41 +0000 schrieb Bret Busby: >> >> >> I do not know whether this obstructing access to applications >> packages, by concealing the names of the packages, is a "feature" of >> UbuntuMATE 20.10, or, the new look of Ubuntu, itself. >> > it is a "feature" of the GNOME design team trying to simplfy GNOME in a > way that users do not need to know application names but onl their > functions by the desktop entry, you will find it in all official GNOME > apps (Totem -> "Videos", gedit -> "Editor", Epiphany -> "Web", etc). > > has nothing to do with Ubuntu, this just gets inherited from upstream. > > ciao > oli > Thank you for that clarification. The gnomes of gnome appear to have gone increasingly wonky and increased their disregard for users, since they replaced the user-friendly gnome-2 with gnome-3, so as to discourage use of the gnome interface. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 11:43, Bret Busby <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > gmail as not being > available (packages for gmail, show as being available, but, not gmail > itself) Gmail is not an app. Gmail is a website. The only app for Gmail is the smartphone client for iOS and Android, which is not available for any desktop OS. So, no, you will not find an app for Gmail in the Ubuntu repositories. The GNOME email app is not called Gmail, because Gmail is a Google trademark. The GNOME app is called Evolution. -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: [hidden email] – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: [hidden email] Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven – Skype: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 – ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
yeah. gmail does not have a desktop app. any development phase app like that? there is a chrome app i believe ... On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 18:02, Liam Proven <[hidden email]> wrote: On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 11:43, Bret Busby <[hidden email]> wrote: -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
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> > yeah. gmail does not have a desktop app. any development phase app like that? there is a chrome app i believe ... If there is a chrome app then it is really an extension not an app, and it should work in Ubuntu. Whether Google will write a linux app for gmail I don't know, but I think it highly unlikely. Why would they do it? Colin > > On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 18:02, Liam Proven <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 11:43, Bret Busby <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > >> > gmail as not being >> > available (packages for gmail, show as being available, but, not gmail >> > itself) >> >> Gmail is not an app. Gmail is a website. >> >> The only app for Gmail is the smartphone client for iOS and Android, >> which is not available for any desktop OS. >> >> So, no, you will not find an app for Gmail in the Ubuntu repositories. >> >> The GNOME email app is not called Gmail, because Gmail is a Google >> trademark. The GNOME app is called Evolution. >> >> -- >> Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven >> Email: [hidden email] – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: [hidden email] >> Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven – Skype: liamproven >> UK: +44 7939-087884 – ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 >> >> -- >> ubuntu-users mailing list >> [hidden email] >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users > > -- > ubuntu-users mailing list > [hidden email] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 19:33, Colin Law <[hidden email]> wrote: On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 13:52, Akash Rao <[hidden email]> wrote: okay; yes they do; i have some such chrome apps downloading and / or installing into ubuntu as apps; pinterest, for instance. Whether Google will write a linux app for gmail I don't know, but I google never writes a linux app? why not?
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Am Montag, den 23.11.2020, 19:20 +0530 schrieb Akash Rao: > yeah. gmail does not have a desktop app. any development phase app > like that? there is a chrome app i believe ... > there is an electron app: https://snapcraft.io/gmail-desktop but since gnome recently started blocking non-official browsers and apps (i.e. the ones not registered with them) from accessing google services your mileage may vary when trying to log in ... ciao oli -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 19:47, Oliver Grawert <[hidden email]> wrote: hi, tried but since gnome recently started blocking non-official browsers and right; this app or browser may not be secure; try using a different browser - says the message
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Am Montag, den 23.11.2020, 15:15 +0100 schrieb Oliver Grawert: > > but since gnome oh my ... this was indeed meant to be "google" ... ciao oli -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
Hi Oli, On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 15:13, Oliver Grawert <[hidden email]> wrote: hi, Thanks for the clarification.... BW, Ian -- -- ACCU - Professionalism in programming - http://www.accu.org -- My writing - https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/-- Free Software page - https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/home/free-software -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
Oh okay :) On 23-Nov-2020 20:47, "Ian Bruntlett" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 11:43, Bret Busby <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> gmail as not being >> available (packages for gmail, show as being available, but, not gmail >> itself) > > Gmail is not an app. Gmail is a website. > > The only app for Gmail is the smartphone client for iOS and Android, > which is not available for any desktop OS. > > So, no, you will not find an app for Gmail in the Ubuntu repositories. > > The GNOME email app is not called Gmail, because Gmail is a Google > trademark. The GNOME app is called Evolution. > > -- > Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven > Email: [hidden email] – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: [hidden email] > Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven – Skype: liamproven > UK: +44 7939-087884 – ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 > Sorry - I though gnome had had an email application like kmail. Apart from using T-bird (now, for me, only usable on my 16.04 installation), I tend to stick with the most powerful and reliable end-user email application; alpine (originally named pine), and this googlymail thing (which has got increasingly nasty). Funny about google trademarking its webmail thing - in Australia, we have a retail chain (a bit like a dunny cistern flushing chain) named K-mart, which is, I think, an Australian version of Walmart, that uses the name kmail, for, I think, its marketing newsletter email. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. -- ubuntu-users mailing list [hidden email] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users |
thunderbird is really reliable and easy. it works fine for me :) yeah we used pine on our unix machines in 2000 / 01! text-based email! now it is alpine? good to know.
oh! nice to know :)
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