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[Bug 693303] [NEW] please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

tm-15
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please backport php 5.3.3 to lucid and when 11.04 is available please
backport 5.3.4 :)

** Affects: lucid-backports
     Importance: Undecided
         Status: New

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[Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

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Version 5.3.5 is already available at the moment, with all intermediate versions having a significant amount of bug and security fixes. An update to 5.3.5 might be a step too much even though I would have no objections against it. I am, however, anxious to see an update to at least 5.3.3.
The fact that this release was also deemed to be stable enough to include in 10.10 I would say it should also be made available for 10.04.

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[Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

tm-15
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I really hope this gets backported because as it stands there are way
too many bugs in 5.3.2 for an LTS release :\

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[Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

tm-15
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Id like to echo above comments, please can we get a backport of >=5.3.3
to lucid

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[Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

tm-15
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https://launchpad.net/~fabianarias/+archive/php5 is one possible
candidate for those looking for a non-official backport in the mean
time.

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[Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

tm-15
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For any of the newer users who find this, ive created a quick blog post
on how to use Fabián Arias PPA to upgrade their PHP using his backport;

http://blog.leenix.co.uk/2011/06/ubuntu-1004-lts-lucid-
php-533-backport.html

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[Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

Robert Steinmetz AIA
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There is also an unofficial backport available from Stylite, the publishers of eGroupware. They maintain a repository at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/eGroupWare/xUbuntu_10.04
Directions are at http://www.egroupware.org/download

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[Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

Håvard Pedersen
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The situation is really terrible, when an LTS release isn't usable for
vanilla LAMP stacks because of large show-stopper issues like
https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=51605 which has been fixed 1,5 year
ago... :(

** Bug watch added: bugs.php.net/ #51605
   http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=51605

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[Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

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There are lots of unnoficial backports available. By the way, april is
coming with a new LTS version.

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[Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

tm-15
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Well, after a full LTS cycle we now learned a lot about Ubuntu LTS
quality - for LAMP servers this LTS release was a mega-fail - sticking
with an ancient and buggy version is no option, installing PPAs from
doubtful sources that are left alone and still vulnerable in launchpad
today is also not what you would expect from a quality LTS server
release. Building everything yourself - well, there are better distros
out there if you want to go that way.

The last answer "There is a new LTS in april" is just the last act of a
very  badly produced play - may this bug 693303 be a historic warning
for LAMP admins that are playing with the idea of "going ubuntu" - read
and learn!

Hopefully 12.04 will have some more professional PHP support - I
personally do not know any pro admin still trusting Ubuntu, so it will
need another full LTS release cycle to make us forget the catastrophe
that you presented us with this poor php handling and build trust in the
admin community - my best wishes, we will keep an eye on your upcoming
release and it´s php policy!

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[Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

Micah Gersten-3
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In order to properly test a backport for PHP in Lucid, all of the
reverse dependencies (install/run test http://paste.ubuntu.com/930490/)
and build dependencies (build/install/run test
http://paste.ubuntu.com/930491/) would need to be tested (which is over
100 last time I checked) and I haven't seen anyone willing to do that
work yet.  With the new PHP release process
(https://wiki.php.net/rfc/releaseprocess), backports and SRUs become
more of an option as they're less likely to introduce breakage, but the
full testing would still be required at least for backports.

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Re: [Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

Robert Steinmetz AIA
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On 01/22/2012 03:20 PM, J Queiroz wrote:
> There are lots of unnoficial backports available. By the way, april is
> coming with a new LTS version.
>
I'm not sure this will get through, but for an LTS edition to be
released without checking the viability of the packages included seems a
major lapse. That a version intended for Long Term Release to suffer
through these issues is incomprehensible.

In my mind an LTS edition is intended to insure long term stability, not
long term instability.

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Re: [Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

tm-15
Em 15 de abril de 2012 23:53, rsteinmetz70112 <[hidden email]> escreveu:
> On 01/22/2012 03:20 PM, J Queiroz wrote:
>> There are lots of unnoficial backports available. By the way, april is
>> coming with a new LTS version.
>>
> I'm not sure this will get through, but for an LTS edition to be
> released without checking the viability of the packages included seems a
> major lapse. That a version intended for Long Term Release to suffer
> through these issues is incomprehensible.

Did you verified if, when 10.04 was released, was there any version of
PHP newer than 5.2?

Surely was a flaw that PHP 5.3 wasn't made available as a backport, as
it would bring security fixes. But you cannot blame a system for not
bringing a version that's not released yet.

Right now, 12.04 is already in the "freeze" state. If for any reason
PHP 5.5 get launched tomorrow, you cannot expect that Ubuntu 12.04 get
unfrozen just to include it. And in middle 2013, you cannot complain
that 12.04 doesn't have this version.

This is a peculiarity of a versioned distribution. If you can't deal
with it, maybe you should use a rolling release distribution, as
Debian Sid or Gentoo.

>
> In my mind an LTS edition is intended to insure long term stability, not
> long term instability.
>

Don't mix stability of one program with stability of the package system.

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[Bug 693303] Re: please backport php 5.3.3/5.3.4 to lucid

Håvard Pedersen
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zekkerj, 10.04 released with PHP 5.3.2. I think you misunderstood the
discussion.

PHP 5.3.2 was released only 1.5 month before Ubtuntu 10.04, so much for
the "thorough betatesting" the LTS releases is supposed to have. But
doing that might have been an OK decision if bugs actually were fixed
after release

However, leaving such a central server functionality full of bugs with
no backport of bugfixes for 3 years in a long term support release is
nothing short of disrespectful of the users that install this release,
expecting to be able to use it in 5 years before upgrading. I was not
planning on upgrading to 12.04, since I installed a release that was
supposed to have support until 2015.

I know I won't be deploying a single Ubuntu server any more. I can't
accept waiting 2 years for critical bugfixes that have already been
solved upstream.

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