Date for release of 12.04 ubuntu-docs

[Peter Matulis-5]

Sorry for the boner question but on what date will help.ubuntu.com be
updated for 12.04?  IIRC for 11.10 the docs (at least for the server
guide) were not available on release date.

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[Jeremy Bicha-2]

On 23 April 2012 12:22, Peter Matulis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sorry for the boner question but on what date will help.ubuntu.com be
> updated for 12.04?  IIRC for 11.10 the docs (at least for the server
> guide) were not available on release date.

You mean https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ ? It's not linked yet at
help.ubuntu.com since there are a few more details we're working on.
Specifically, Matthew and I are working on updating the theme to the
new Ubuntu branding.

I think we can still get help.ubuntu.com ready by Thursday or Friday.
I'll post again tonight with a bit more detail about the current
status.

Jeremy

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[Chris]

What do you mean with "updating the theme to the new Ubuntu branding"? Does this mean that wiki pages have some kind of guidelines or way they "should" look?
I'm wondering because we want to do a major overhaul on https://help.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu but we don't want to go against the guidelines preferably.
I hope you can reference me to some documentation about that if I'm understanding you correctly.

With metta, Chris

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 18:43, Jeremy Bicha <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 23 April 2012 12:22, Peter Matulis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sorry for the boner question but on what date will help.ubuntu.com be
> updated for 12.04?  IIRC for 11.10 the docs (at least for the server
> guide) were not available on release date.

You mean https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ ? It's not linked yet at
help.ubuntu.com since there are a few more details we're working on.
Specifically, Matthew and I are working on updating the theme to the
new Ubuntu branding.

I think we can still get help.ubuntu.com ready by Thursday or Friday.
I'll post again tonight with a bit more detail about the current
status.

Jeremy

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[Jeremy Bicha-2]

On 23 April 2012 20:39, Chris <[hidden email]> wrote:
> What do you mean with "updating the theme to the new Ubuntu branding"? Does
> this mean that wiki pages have some kind of guidelines or way they "should"
> look?
> I'm wondering because we want to do a major overhaul on
> https://help.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu but we don't want to go against the
> guidelines preferably.
> I hope you can reference me to some documentation about that if I'm
> understanding you correctly.

Chris, compare https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/ (old Ubuntu branding)
with https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ (new Ubuntu branding).

To get the new theme on help.ubuntu.com/community, open
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/?action=userprefs&sub=prefs and
change the theme to "light".

Jeremy

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[Doug Smythies]

Hi,

I see that the 12.04 stuff is now available as a link from
https://help.ubuntu.com/ .

I also noticed that the new format seems to auto break lines within a
<screen> box that would otherwise violate the box boundary.
The previous format did not do that, and we spent a lot of time fixing most
of the box boundary violations on the serverguide (which is still required
for the PDF anyhow).
Example 1: 2nd line of 1st screen box on:
https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/configuration.html
Example 2: find "kc6eSnTLnLxF8u0t3e56EukFeqJ" on:
https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/reporting-bugs.html
I am just saying is all. For myself the take away is to check that an auto
line break is in a logical spot that doesn't add confusion. The HTML
documents look better without the <screen box> border violations.

(At the risk of being ridiculed for using it:) If one views the serverguide
HTML pages with Microsoft Internet Explorer, every page complains of secure
and non-secure content and blocks unsecure content, with an option to show
all content for that page. The desktop html pages do not have this issue (I
only looked at a few). (I might have time later today or later this week to
try to identify the root cause for this.)

I guess it doesn't matter much, but there are some changes in formats
between the new look and the one we did all of our work on. Generally (I
certainly did not look at all of them) bullet point lists have become
numbered lists. The serverguide PDF is still has bullet point lists, so the
documents deviate from each other (which they do somewhat anyhow).

... Doug

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On 23 April 2012 12:22, Peter Matulis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sorry for the boner question but on what date will help.ubuntu.com be
> updated for 12.04?  IIRC for 11.10 the docs (at least for the server
> guide) were not available on release date.

You mean https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ ? It's not linked yet at
help.ubuntu.com since there are a few more details we're working on.
Specifically, Matthew and I are working on updating the theme to the new
Ubuntu branding.

I think we can still get help.ubuntu.com ready by Thursday or Friday.
I'll post again tonight with a bit more detail about the current status.

Jeremy

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[Jeremy Bicha-2]

On 25 April 2012 11:00, Doug Smythies <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I see that the 12.04 stuff is now available as a link from
> https://help.ubuntu.com/ .

Yes, we're a day early this time! Thanks so much to Matthew East for
all of his work on the new theme! There's still a few more things to
work on (anyone want to help Matthew with the installation-guide
theming?) but it looks a lot more like 2012 than the previous theme.

> I also noticed that the new format seems to auto break lines within a
> <screen> box that would otherwise violate the box boundary.
> The previous format did not do that, and we spent a lot of time fixing most
> of the box boundary violations on the serverguide (which is still required
> for the PDF anyhow).
> Example 1: 2nd line of 1st screen box on:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/configuration.html
> Example 2: find "kc6eSnTLnLxF8u0t3e56EukFeqJ" on:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/reporting-bugs.html
> I am just saying is all. For myself the take away is to check that an auto
> line break is in a logical spot that doesn't add confusion. The HTML
> documents look better without the <screen box> border violations.

I think you're saying that the HTML works a little bit better than the
PDF version.

> (At the risk of being ridiculed for using it:) If one views the serverguide
> HTML pages with Microsoft Internet Explorer, every page complains of secure
> and non-secure content and blocks unsecure content, with an option to show
> all content for that page. The desktop html pages do not have this issue (I
> only looked at a few). (I might have time later today or later this week to
> try to identify the root cause for this.)

I see a warning in Chromium also, but I also don't know why.

> I guess it doesn't matter much, but there are some changes in formats
> between the new look and the one we did all of our work on. Generally (I
> certainly did not look at all of them) bullet point lists have become
> numbered lists. The serverguide PDF is still has bullet point lists, so the
> documents deviate from each other (which they do somewhat anyhow).

Yes, I noticed this bug also. Unordered lists (bullets) are being
shown as ordered lists (numbered). That applies even to
https://help.ubuntu.com/ where the list of releases is supposed to be
just bullets.

Jeremy

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[Paddy Landau]

Unordered lists (bullets) are being shown as ordered lists (numbered). That applies even to https://help.ubuntu.com/ where the list of releases is supposed to be just bullets.

I've just had a look at this.

The problem lies in the CSS, which says that unordered items belonging to cwt-content must in fact be ordered.

The offending line is 1078 in file C.css, which reads as follows:

#cwt-content ol, #cwt-content ul, #cwt-content dl {
    margin-bottom: 8px;
    list-style-type: decimal;
}

Perhaps you can ask whoever is in charge of the CSS to take a look at that and find out why ul (unordered list) is set to decimal.

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[Doug Smythies]

For this part of the thread:

Doug S:
>> (At the risk of being ridiculed for using it:) If one views the
>> serverguide HTML pages with Microsoft Internet Explorer, every page
>> complains of secure and non-secure content and blocks unsecure
>> content, with an option to show all content for that page. The desktop
>> html pages do not have this issue (I only looked at a few). (I might
>> have time later today or later this week to try to identify the root
>> cause for this.)

Jeremy B:
>I see a warning in Chromium also, but I also don't know why.

The problem is this line on every html page:

<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jquery.min.js"></scri
pt><script type="text/javascript" src="js/main.js"></script>

There is no issue if the line uses "https" instead.

Of course, there is also no issue of one just uses "http" instead of "https"
in the parent link to start with. I can do that on my test computer, but the
real web pages seem to re-direct to https.

At the moment it isn't clear to me how easy or hard this would be to fix. If
it doesn't magically get fixed in a couple days, I'll enter a launchpad bug
and set about figuring out how to fix it.

... Doug

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[Dylan McCall]

> The problem is this line on every html page:
>
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jquery.min.js"></scri
> pt><script type="text/javascript" src="js/main.js"></script>
>
> There is no issue if the line uses "https" instead.
>
> Of course, there is also no issue of one just uses "http" instead of "https"
> in the parent link to start with. I can do that on my test computer, but the
> real web pages seem to re-direct to https.
>
> At the moment it isn't clear to me how easy or hard this would be to fix. If
> it doesn't magically get fixed in a couple days, I'll enter a launchpad bug
> and set about figuring out how to fix it.
>
> ... Doug
>
> Other older stuff deleted.

That's easy to fix. Where you have "http://" in that URL, just use "//".
So, your script tag should look like this:
<script type="text/javascript"
src="//ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jquery.min.js">
</script>

The "//" is like "/" but for the protocol. It loads the given URL
using the current protocol.

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[Jeremy Bicha]

On 26 April 2012 16:38, Dylan McCall <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> The problem is this line on every html page:
>>
>> <script type="text/javascript"
>> src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jquery.min.js"></scri
>> pt><script type="text/javascript" src="js/main.js"></script>
>>
>> There is no issue if the line uses "https" instead.
>>
>> Of course, there is also no issue of one just uses "http" instead of "https"
>> in the parent link to start with. I can do that on my test computer, but the
>> real web pages seem to re-direct to https.
>>
>> At the moment it isn't clear to me how easy or hard this would be to fix. If
>> it doesn't magically get fixed in a couple days, I'll enter a launchpad bug
>> and set about figuring out how to fix it.
>>
>> ... Doug
>>
>> Other older stuff deleted.
>
> That's easy to fix. Where you have "http://" in that URL, just use "//".
> So, your script tag should look like this:
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="//ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jquery.min.js">
> </script>
>
> The "//" is like "/" but for the protocol. It loads the given URL
> using the current protocol.

Actually the site seems to work fine without that line so I'm going to
delete it. For instance, that same line prevented the front page
screenshot-hover-image switcher from working in the Desktop Guide for
11.04 and 11.10 until I deleted it.

Jeremy

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[Doug Smythies]

O.K. thanks,

That seemed to work well on my test computer. Merge proposal containing your
suggested fix has been submitted.

https://code.launchpad.net/~dsmythies/serverguide/sguide-secure-test/+merge/
103777

... Doug

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Sent: April-26-2012 13:38
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> The problem is this line on every html page:
>
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jquery.min.js">
> </scri
> pt><script type="text/javascript" src="js/main.js"></script>
>
> There is no issue if the line uses "https" instead.
>
> Of course, there is also no issue of one just uses "http" instead of

"https"

> in the parent link to start with. I can do that on my test computer,
> but the real web pages seem to re-direct to https.
>
> At the moment it isn't clear to me how easy or hard this would be to
> fix. If it doesn't magically get fixed in a couple days, I'll enter a
> launchpad bug and set about figuring out how to fix it.
>
> ... Doug
>
> Other older stuff deleted.

That's easy to fix. Where you have "http://" in that URL, just use "//".
So, your script tag should look like this:
<script type="text/javascript"
src="//ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jquery.min.js">
</script>

The "//" is like "/" but for the protocol. It loads the given URL using the
current protocol.

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[Doug Smythies]

Well, that is an even better solution. Please reject my merge proposal.

... Doug

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Subject: Re: Date for release of 12.04 ubuntu-docs

On 26 April 2012 16:38, Dylan McCall <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> The problem is this line on every html page:
>>
>> <script type="text/javascript"
>> src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jquery.min.js"
>> ></scri
>> pt><script type="text/javascript" src="js/main.js"></script>
>>
>> There is no issue if the line uses "https" instead.
>>
>> Of course, there is also no issue of one just uses "http" instead of

"https"

>> in the parent link to start with. I can do that on my test computer,
>> but the real web pages seem to re-direct to https.
>>
>> At the moment it isn't clear to me how easy or hard this would be to
>> fix. If it doesn't magically get fixed in a couple days, I'll enter a
>> launchpad bug and set about figuring out how to fix it.
>>
>> ... Doug
>>
>> Other older stuff deleted.
>
> That's easy to fix. Where you have "http://" in that URL, just use "//".
> So, your script tag should look like this:
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="//ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jquery.min.js">
> </script>
>
> The "//" is like "/" but for the protocol. It loads the given URL
> using the current protocol.

Actually the site seems to work fine without that line so I'm going to
delete it. For instance, that same line prevented the front page
screenshot-hover-image switcher from working in the Desktop Guide for
11.04 and 11.10 until I deleted it.

Jeremy



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