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Do you use Binary package hint: line in bug description?

Francis J. Lacoste
Hello,

When user file bugs on the distribution and enter a package name in the
widget, Launchpad automatically adds a line to the description with
Binary package hint: binarypackagename

That binarypackagename actually comes from the last binary generated from the
sourcepackage found by the user. (If the user actually entered a binary
package name, we will find the corresponding sourcepackage name and then set
the binarypackage hint line to the 'official binary name' - not the one
entered to the user.)

Is that "feature" useful to you? The logic to retrieve this binary package
name is really convulated and there doesn't seem to be a strong use case for
it. I'd really like to get rid of it. But maybe that Binary package hint: is
really useful to you?

Additional notes: that only happens when user file bugs through email or the
/ubuntu/+filebug page (which is hidden away behind a wiki page discouraging
people to use it).

That's different from the comment added 'The original reporter indicated...'
which is added when we cannot find a related source package to what the user
entered.

Eagerly waiting for your ok to fire the deletion trigger :-)

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Re: Do you use Binary package hint: line in bug description?

Bryce Harrington-5
On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:52:17PM -0400, Francis J. Lacoste wrote:

> Hello,
>
> When user file bugs on the distribution and enter a package name in the
> widget, Launchpad automatically adds a line to the description with
> Binary package hint: binarypackagename
>
> That binarypackagename actually comes from the last binary generated from the
> sourcepackage found by the user. (If the user actually entered a binary
> package name, we will find the corresponding sourcepackage name and then set
> the binarypackage hint line to the 'official binary name' - not the one
> entered to the user.)
>
> Is that "feature" useful to you? The logic to retrieve this binary package
> name is really convulated and there doesn't seem to be a strong use case for
> it. I'd really like to get rid of it. But maybe that Binary package hint: is
> really useful to you?

Personally in my own usage I find it unuseful and cluttery.  I generally
delete it if I am editing bug descriptions.  I've never encountered a
situation where it was of any use.

I double-checked with Brian Murray, who has a broader view of bugs; he
doesn't see a usefulness for it either.

> Additional notes: that only happens when user file bugs through email or the
> /ubuntu/+filebug page (which is hidden away behind a wiki page discouraging
> people to use it).
>
> That's different from the comment added 'The original reporter indicated...'
> which is added when we cannot find a related source package to what the user
> entered.
>
> Eagerly waiting for your ok to fire the deletion trigger :-)

+1 from me.  Fairly sure no one will even miss it.

Bryce

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Re: Do you use Binary package hint: line in bug description?

Kate Stewart
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 15:08 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:52:17PM -0400, Francis J. Lacoste wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > When user file bugs on the distribution and enter a package name in the
> > widget, Launchpad automatically adds a line to the description with
> > Binary package hint: binarypackagename
> >
> > That binarypackagename actually comes from the last binary generated from the
> > sourcepackage found by the user. (If the user actually entered a binary
> > package name, we will find the corresponding sourcepackage name and then set
> > the binarypackage hint line to the 'official binary name' - not the one
> > entered to the user.)
> >
> > Is that "feature" useful to you? The logic to retrieve this binary package
> > name is really convulated and there doesn't seem to be a strong use case for
> > it. I'd really like to get rid of it. But maybe that Binary package hint: is
> > really useful to you?
>
> Personally in my own usage I find it unuseful and cluttery.  I generally
> delete it if I am editing bug descriptions.  I've never encountered a
> situation where it was of any use.
>
> I double-checked with Brian Murray, who has a broader view of bugs; he
> doesn't see a usefulness for it either.
>
> > Additional notes: that only happens when user file bugs through email or the
> > /ubuntu/+filebug page (which is hidden away behind a wiki page discouraging
> > people to use it).
> >
> > That's different from the comment added 'The original reporter indicated...'
> > which is added when we cannot find a related source package to what the user
> > entered.
> >
> > Eagerly waiting for your ok to fire the deletion trigger :-)
>
> +1 from me.  Fairly sure no one will even miss it.

I've not seen it be used commonly,  and getting rid of the special cases
and standardizing the data available is desirable.

Unless someone can provide a good justification for keeping it, I'm +1
as well.

Kate


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Re: Do you use Binary package hint: line in bug description?

Martin Pitt-4
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Hello Francis,

Francis J. Lacoste [2011-06-08 17:52 -0400]:
> Is that "feature" useful to you?

I generally consider it as clutter really, as it sometimes isn't even
correct. Apport filed bugs already have a (more precise) "Package:"
field, so in most cases it's even duplicated today.

So +1 from me for removing it.

Thanks,

Martin

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Re: Do you use Binary package hint: line in bug description?

Matt Zimmerman-2
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On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:52:17PM -0400, Francis J. Lacoste wrote:
> Hello,
>
> When user file bugs on the distribution and enter a package name in the
> widget, Launchpad automatically adds a line to the description with
> Binary package hint: binarypackagename

I would welcome its disappearance. :-)

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Re: Do you use Binary package hint: line in bug description?

James Westby-2
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:52:17 -0400, "Francis J. Lacoste" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> When user file bugs on the distribution and enter a package name in the
> widget, Launchpad automatically adds a line to the description with
> Binary package hint: binarypackagename
>
> That binarypackagename actually comes from the last binary generated from the
> sourcepackage found by the user. (If the user actually entered a binary
> package name, we will find the corresponding sourcepackage name and then set
> the binarypackage hint line to the 'official binary name' - not the one
> entered to the user.)
>
> Is that "feature" useful to you? The logic to retrieve this binary package
> name is really convulated and there doesn't seem to be a strong use case for
> it. I'd really like to get rid of it. But maybe that Binary package hint: is
> really useful to you?

The only thing I've used it for is to know where the bug was originally
filed.

That should be covered by the activity log, and now that it's in the
comments it's just as easy to see, more reliable, and contains more
informtion.

I don't think I've ever needed to know which particular binary package
of a source is at fault.

Therefore I support removing it assuming that the activity log is
comprehensive.

Thanks,

James

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Re: Do you use Binary package hint: line in bug description?

Matt Zimmerman-2
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 01:15:55PM -0400, James Westby wrote:
> I don't think I've ever needed to know which particular binary package
> of a source is at fault.

This was exactly the logic for Launchpad Bugs being source package oriented,
rather than binary package oriented like debbugs.  The binary package hint,
IIRC, was a hedge in case that information turned out to be used by more
people or tools than we expected.

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Re: Do you use Binary package hint: line in bug description?

Paul Sladen-2
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, Francis J. Lacoste wrote:
> Binary package hint: binarypackagename
> Is that "feature" useful to you?

I don't find it useful, and frequently edit the bug to remove it.

  '"Binary package hint" is a mysterious term
  http://launchpad.net/bugs/93630

> Eagerly waiting for your ok to fire the deletion trigger :-)
> I'd really like to get rid of it.

Excellent, I frequently re-remove it manually.  It if really needs to
be there, perhaps an X-Header line?

> only happens when ... /ubuntu/+filebug page

Everything I file, or ask a user to file is long-typed, eg:

  http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/foo/+filebug?field.title=My+summary+of+the+bug+I+want+you+to+file

as it's faster to guide a user directl,y by pre-populating an
appropriate title, and also faster for the developer than trying to
navigate through the Launchpad hierarchy.

        -Paul


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Re: Do you use Binary package hint: line in bug description?

Matthias Klose-6
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On 06/08/2011 11:52 PM, Francis J. Lacoste wrote:

> Hello,
>
> When user file bugs on the distribution and enter a package name in the
> widget, Launchpad automatically adds a line to the description with
> Binary package hint: binarypackagename
>
> That binarypackagename actually comes from the last binary generated from the
> sourcepackage found by the user. (If the user actually entered a binary
> package name, we will find the corresponding sourcepackage name and then set
> the binarypackage hint line to the 'official binary name' - not the one
> entered to the user.)
>
> Is that "feature" useful to you? The logic to retrieve this binary package
> name is really convulated and there doesn't seem to be a strong use case for
> it. I'd really like to get rid of it. But maybe that Binary package hint: is
> really useful to you?

This would remove the last reference to the binary package.  It may not be
needed by source packages with just one or two binary packages, but it is useful
to have when a source package builds a dozen or so packages.

E.g., I'm just not interested in samba or subversion reports, except for bug
reports concerning the python bindings python-samba and python-subversion. If
that information is available in some other place, please point it out.

  Matthias

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Re: Do you use Binary package hint: line in bug description?

Francis J. Lacoste
On 11-07-15 09:51 AM, Matthias Klose wrote:
> This would remove the last reference to the binary package.  It may not be
> needed by source packages with just one or two binary packages, but it is useful
> to have when a source package builds a dozen or so packages.

Hi Matthias,

Indeed, there are no more binary package information recorded in the bug
report.

I guess this is really useful for very few packages. If that's a
use-case you care a lot about, it would be worth filing a bug about. And
in that case, it's probably a regression which would put it in the
top-tier of bugs to fix.


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