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Ralf Mardorf-2
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:34:46 +0200, Charles IRONS wrote:
>"best text editor"

Some of the discussed "editors" are already "dwarf IDEs" [1] ;).

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
In the style of "dwarf planet".
If an editor is considered a moon, an IDE could be a planet.
So something more than an editor, but less than a bloated IDE, might be
a dwarf IDE. Analogies aren't perfect.


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Ralf Mardorf schreef op 15-03-2017 8:52:
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:34:46 +0200, Charles IRONS wrote:
>> "best text editor"
>
> Some of the discussed "editors" are already "dwarf IDEs" [1] ;).

Kate certainly is.

But as Liam says, "UI is all". I am not concerned with features.

I have never used 1% of Kate's features, but I cannot use it to put text
in.

I cannot even achieve printing with it the way I want, because I cannot
set margins ;-).

I mean to say that I cannot use it as a Notepad replacement. So I've
been using "xed" from Mint. I think it comes nearest of a usable thing
to me. I think it is not so hard to edit it to get it to have some
margins that I like, but I remember failing to compile it.

Anyway, all of this I've said before I guess, but just to recap...

Anyway, I would still like to know if there is something wrong with me
;-) or there is actual difference in font rendering in KDE versus
Unity/Mint. And that I'm just seeing things but it doesn't bother other
people? I would have to fire up an Ubuntu live DVD at this point.

I mean for jEdit of course.

And of course I agree with LittleGirl that the thing should be
configurable (the margins). That was the whole point, it's a shame they
aren't. So thank you.

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Re: Editor / IDE - Was: out of space on /root

Ralf Mardorf-2
I prefer the layout of Pluma and don't care about key behaviour, since
I'm using the mouse. It's not used for programming languages, just for
shell scripts and configuration files.
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Re: Editor / IDE - Was: out of space on /root

Joel Rees
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The best text editor I have ever used is called BBEdit. Unfortunately,
it's MacOS-only, and closed source. But it is free-as-in-beer, with
limited performance.

The second best was originally for the Mac, then branched out into
MSWindows and Linux. Not sure how it is doing lately. It's also
closed, and not free at all. It was called Metrowerks Codewarrior IDE
editor. The IDE was pretty productive, too. Hmm. Now it's owned by NXP
and limited to embedded, and it looks like they are moving the thing
to Eclipse. Sad day, but the natural evolution of closed source.

GEdit is the editor I use most often. When GEdit is not available, I
use vi(m) primarily because I don't have to remember between ctrl-X
and ctrl-Q. And the modality is useful. And the on-disk editting
really helps when you want to look into a really large file.

When I want margins, I know I'm already into WYSIWYG, which means a
word processor.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:34:46 +0200, Charles IRONS wrote:
>>"best text editor"
>
> Some of the discussed "editors" are already "dwarf IDEs" [1] ;).
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
> [1]
> In the style of "dwarf planet".
> If an editor is considered a moon, an IDE could be a planet.
> So something more than an editor, but less than a bloated IDE, might be
> a dwarf IDE. Analogies aren't perfect.



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Ralf Mardorf schreef op 15-03-2017 9:54:
> I prefer the layout of Pluma and don't care about key behaviour, since
> I'm using the mouse. It's not used for programming languages, just for
> shell scripts and configuration files.

Alright, doesn't look so bad. I require a no-tabs editor though.

I guess I'll be trying to change Xed next time I try it; the thing that
LittleGirl suggested (Geany) is a dwarf-IDE in its own right.

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Re: Editor / IDE - Was: out of space on /root

Ralf Mardorf-2
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:11:37 +0100, Xen wrote:
>Ralf Mardorf schreef op 15-03-2017 9:54:
>I guess I'll be trying to change Xed next time I try it; the thing
>that LittleGirl suggested (Geany) is a dwarf-IDE in its own right.

One of the "editors" [1] I tested and indeed it's a dwarf IDE.
For my Ubuntu I only have pluma, nano and vim installed, on Arch Linux
I tested more or less all available editors.

On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:11:18 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>Eclipse

Too much for my needs, but IIRC I once used it or maybe I preferred
Anjuta, I don't remember. However, I tested Atom and IMO it's a PITA,
when I run it the first time it phoned home.

>GEdit

More or less the same as Pluma (and the way I use an editor, even close
to kate ;).

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep geany /var/log/pacman.log | grep " ("
[2014-12-08 19:20] [PACMAN] installed geany (1.24.1-1)
[2014-12-08 19:20] [PACMAN] installed geany-plugins (1.24-2)
[2015-07-27 12:22] [ALPM] upgraded geany (1.24.1-1 -> 1.25-1)
[2015-07-27 12:23] [ALPM] upgraded geany-plugins (1.24-2 -> 1.25-1)
[2015-08-03 07:38] [ALPM] upgraded geany-plugins (1.25-1 -> 1.25-2)
[2015-09-03 13:51] [ALPM] upgraded geany-plugins (1.25-2 -> 1.25-3)
[2015-11-22 21:46] [ALPM] upgraded geany (1.25-1 -> 1.26-1)
[2015-11-22 21:46] [ALPM] upgraded geany-plugins (1.25-3 -> 1.26-1)
[2015-12-11 13:24] [ALPM] upgraded geany (1.26-1 -> 1.26-2)
[2016-02-01 09:29] [ALPM] upgraded geany (1.26-2 -> 1.26-3)
[2016-03-15 08:15] [ALPM] upgraded geany (1.26-3 -> 1.27-1)
[2016-03-15 08:15] [ALPM] upgraded geany-plugins (1.26-1 -> 1.27-1)
[2016-04-24 10:15] [ALPM] upgraded geany-plugins (1.27-1 -> 1.27-2)
[2016-05-16 08:35] [ALPM] upgraded geany (1.27-1 -> 1.27-2)
[2016-05-20 08:05] [ALPM] upgraded geany-plugins (1.27-2 -> 1.27-3)
[2016-07-12 16:29] [ALPM] upgraded geany (1.27-2 -> 1.28-1)
[2016-07-12 16:29] [ALPM] upgraded geany-plugins (1.27-3 -> 1.28-1)
[2016-11-15 00:23] [ALPM] upgraded geany (1.28-1 -> 1.29-1)
[2016-11-15 00:23] [ALPM] upgraded geany-plugins (1.28-1 -> 1.29-1)
[2017-01-25 17:39] [ALPM] upgraded geany-plugins (1.29-1 -> 1.29-2)
[2017-01-26 05:02] [ALPM] upgraded geany-plugins (1.29-2 -> 1.29-3)
[2017-03-14 17:25] [ALPM] upgraded geany (1.29-1 -> 1.30-1)
[2017-03-14 17:25] [ALPM] upgraded geany-plugins (1.29-3 -> 1.30-1)




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Re: Editor / IDE - Was: out of space on /root

Ralf Mardorf-2
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:11:37 +0100, Xen wrote:
>Xed

A few minutes ago I removed jedit, geany, yudit, sublime-text and
installed xed.

The first impression is, that xed is nearly equal to pluma, at least
very similar, but it seems not to use dconf. If so, it could be an
advantage.

Xed seems to start a little bit faster. Not really important, but still
noticeable, when loading from a SSD.

# smartctl -a /dev/sda|grep Ro;smartctl -a /dev/sda| grep SA;hwinfo --cpu|grep Mo|sort -u;hwinfo --memory|grep Si
Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.2, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
  Model: 6.60.3 "Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU G1840 @ 2.80GHz"
  Memory Size: 7 GB + 512 MB

I'll compare pluma with xed soon.


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