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John Shipp
hi.  I'd like to contribute to the Ubuntu Community Wiki.  I joined the
"Ubuntu Wiki Editors" team, but I don't seem to have permission to edit
the wiki.

After being let down by the wiki while trying to setup a persistent
mount in my fstab, I stumbled upon the answer in this bug report, which
is 7 YEARS old.  
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1244123

A guy had the answer, but was told the edit the wiki himself.  It's
apparently not easy to edit the wiki.  I stuck my head in the IRC room
too but then noticed the IRC Archive which shows the IRC room is pretty
much dead.  The bug is fairly major, Ubuntu doesn't actually mount a
windows share at boot without the option i'm trying to add to the fstab
line, and it's embarrassing for the wiki to be so bad.

I have an updated page I'd like to upload (see attached).

A lot of the content on the MountWindowsSharesPermanently page pertains
to obsolete versions of Ubuntu, and should be removed or archived, so
people won't have to wade thru so much mess to get what they need.  I
would rewrite the whole page from scratch if somebody would let me.

Ubuntu-doc's own documentation needs a lot of attention.  For example,
on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda, "The next
meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, May 30, 2017 @ 18:00 UTC" - um, is
there anybody at the wheel anymore?  I believe I would be a good
candidate to take the wheel if the position is open.

I've also noticed a few minor grammar mistakes on other pages, and I
would fix them if I can.

I over 20 years experience in helping "normal" people with computer
problems.  I can put things in words that beginners can understand.
 Don't just take my word for it, you can read some of my articles at
jshipp.com/articles.  I'm a self employed I.T. advisor.  I've been using
Ubuntu Server in several production environments for 13 years and I
ditched Windows for Ubuntu Desktop about a year ago.  It was an easy
switch at home where I mainly use a web browser, remmina, and a printer.
 Switching my work computer was NOT easy but I stuck in there and got
thru it.  I almost gave up several times, and learned a lot on the way.
 I took good notes and I believe my notes would be a great addition to
the community wiki.


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-john


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Re: I can help

Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Hi John,

Thanks for your message!

On 2020-07-21 04:24, John Shipp wrote:
> hi.  I'd like to contribute to the Ubuntu Community Wiki.  I joined
> the "Ubuntu Wiki Editors" team, but I don't seem to have permission
> to edit the wiki.

Did you log in?

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki

> After being let down by the wiki while trying to setup a persistent
> mount in my fstab, I stumbled upon the answer in this bug report,
> which is 7 YEARS old.
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1244123
>
> A guy had the answer, but was told the edit the wiki himself.  It's
> apparently not easy to edit the wiki.

I was the one who suggested that. And yes, it's pretty easy once you are
logged in. :)

You need to understand what the Community Help Wiki is about. It
consists of contributions from community members. Ideally those who put
up new pages keep maintaining them, but that's not always the case.
Anybody with sufficient skill can jump in and improve an existing page,
but there are not enough people who do that kind of work, and as a
result some pages are outdated.

Previously there was a team dedicated to monitoring the Community Help
Wiki, but its members stepped down.

> I stuck my head in the IRC room too but then noticed the IRC Archive
> which shows the IRC room is pretty much dead.  The bug is fairly
> major, Ubuntu doesn't actually mount a windows share at boot without
> the option i'm trying to add to the fstab line, and it's embarrassing
> for the wiki to be so bad.
>
> I have an updated page I'd like to upload (see attached).
>
> A lot of the content on the MountWindowsSharesPermanently page
> pertains to obsolete versions of Ubuntu, and should be removed or
> archived, so people won't have to wade thru so much mess to get what
> they need.  I would rewrite the whole page from scratch if somebody
> would let me.

Please feel free to go ahead and improve it, if you have enough
knowledge on the topic.

> Ubuntu-doc's own documentation needs a lot of attention.  For
> example, on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda,
> "The next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, May 30, 2017 @ 18:00 UTC"
> - um, is there anybody at the wheel anymore?

Well, I am as regards the official desktop guide, together with Doug
Smythies who helps with the publishing at <https://help.ubuntu.com>. But
that is quite a different kind of work compared with maintaining the
Community Help Wiki.

> I believe I would be a good candidate to take the wheel if the
> position is open.

Unfortunately most positions are open. If your interest is primarily the
Community Help Wiki, it would be much appreciated if you would like to
work with improvement of those pages/sections where you have the
sufficient knowledge to do so.

As regards the official desktop guide, an extra member would certainly
be welcome. My time/energy suffices to keep it rolling, but the contents
would need more attention. Please note, though, that there is a learning
curve before you would be able to really contribute to the desktop guide.

> I've also noticed a few minor grammar mistakes on other pages, and I
> would fix them if I can.
>
> I over 20 years experience in helping "normal" people with computer
> problems.  I can put things in words that beginners can understand.
> Don't just take my word for it, you can read some of my articles at
> jshipp.com/articles.  I'm a self employed I.T. advisor.  I've been
> using Ubuntu Server in several production environments for 13 years
> and I ditched Windows for Ubuntu Desktop about a year ago.  It was an
> easy switch at home where I mainly use a web browser, remmina, and a
> printer. Switching my work computer was NOT easy but I stuck in there
> and got thru it.  I almost gave up several times, and learned a lot
> on the way. I took good notes and I believe my notes would be a great
> addition to the community wiki.

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Re: I can help

John Shipp
Here's a screenshot showing I'm logged in and not allowed to edit a
page.
https://jshipp.com/screenshot.png
thanks,-john

On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 14:07 +0200, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:

> Hi John,
> Thanks for your message!
> On 2020-07-21 04:24, John Shipp wrote:
> > hi.  I'd like to contribute to the Ubuntu Community Wiki.  I
> > joinedthe "Ubuntu Wiki Editors" team, but I don't seem to have
> > permissionto edit the wiki.
>
> Did you log in?
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki
>
> > After being let down by the wiki while trying to setup a
> > persistentmount in my fstab, I stumbled upon the answer in this bug
> > report,which is 7 YEARS old.
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1244123
> >
> > A guy had the answer, but was told the edit the wiki
> > himself.  It'sapparently not easy to edit the wiki.
>
> I was the one who suggested that. And yes, it's pretty easy once you
> are logged in. :)
> You need to understand what the Community Help Wiki is about. It
> consists of contributions from community members. Ideally those who
> put up new pages keep maintaining them, but that's not always the
> case. Anybody with sufficient skill can jump in and improve an
> existing page, but there are not enough people who do that kind of
> work, and as a result some pages are outdated.
> Previously there was a team dedicated to monitoring the Community Help
> Wiki, but its members stepped down.
> > I stuck my head in the IRC room too but then noticed the IRC
> > Archivewhich shows the IRC room is pretty much dead.  The bug is
> > fairlymajor, Ubuntu doesn't actually mount a windows share at boot
> > withoutthe option i'm trying to add to the fstab line, and it's
> > embarrassingfor the wiki to be so bad.
> > I have an updated page I'd like to upload (see attached).
> > A lot of the content on the MountWindowsSharesPermanently
> > pagepertains to obsolete versions of Ubuntu, and should be removed
> > orarchived, so people won't have to wade thru so much mess to get
> > whatthey need.  I would rewrite the whole page from scratch if
> > somebodywould let me.
>
> Please feel free to go ahead and improve it, if you have enough
> knowledge on the topic.
> > Ubuntu-doc's own documentation needs a lot of
> > attention.  Forexample, on
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda,"The next
> > meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, May 30, 2017 @ 18:00 UTC"- um, is
> > there anybody at the wheel anymore?
>
> Well, I am as regards the official desktop guide, together with Doug
> Smythies who helps with the publishing at <https://help.ubuntu.com>;.
> But that is quite a different kind of work compared with maintaining
> the Community Help Wiki.
> > I believe I would be a good candidate to take the wheel if
> > theposition is open.
>
> Unfortunately most positions are open. If your interest is primarily
> the Community Help Wiki, it would be much appreciated if you would
> like to work with improvement of those pages/sections where you have
> the sufficient knowledge to do so.
> As regards the official desktop guide, an extra member would certainly
> be welcome. My time/energy suffices to keep it rolling, but the
> contents would need more attention. Please note, though, that there is
> a learning curve before you would be able to really contribute to the
> desktop guide.
> > I've also noticed a few minor grammar mistakes on other pages, and
> > Iwould fix them if I can.
> > I over 20 years experience in helping "normal" people with
> > computerproblems.  I can put things in words that beginners can
> > understand.Don't just take my word for it, you can read some of my
> > articles atjshipp.com/articles.  I'm a self employed I.T.
> > advisor.  I've beenusing Ubuntu Server in several production
> > environments for 13 yearsand I ditched Windows for Ubuntu Desktop
> > about a year ago.  It was aneasy switch at home where I mainly use a
> > web browser, remmina, and aprinter. Switching my work computer was
> > NOT easy but I stuck in thereand got thru it.  I almost gave up
> > several times, and learned a loton the way. I took good notes and I
> > believe my notes would be a greataddition to the community wiki.


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Re: I can help

Gunnar Hjalmarsson
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On 2020-07-21 16:01, John Shipp wrote:
> See attached screenshot showing I'm logged in and not allowed to edit
> a page.

That's the 'other wiki', not the Community Help Wiki, and you need to be
logged in to that wiki separately.

But with that said, I see that you seem to be logged in there. All I can
think of then is that you need to refresh your browser, to free it from
the cache. Maybe even close the browser and try again.

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Re: I can help

John Shipp
ok apparently I was logging in with a different account...  My approved
username is shippj but I also have a jshipp account that I created
for ubuntuforums.org and they both use the same single-sign-on domain so
it was confusing LastPass and I didn't realize it!  Sorry for the
ruffle!

I was able to load my new version of the MountWindowsSharesPermanently
page.

I'm going to start with some more minor changes and work my way up to
the major stuff like removing the obsolete SMB stuff from the
MountWindowsSharesPermanently page.  Is there a group that I can discuss
major changes with?  There must be a person or group that prevents
people from being reckless?

thanks,
-john


On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 18:01 +0200, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:

> On 2020-07-21 16:01, John Shipp wrote:
> > See attached screenshot showing I'm logged in and not allowed to edit
> > a page.
>
> That's the 'other wiki', not the Community Help Wiki, and you need to be
> logged in to that wiki separately.
>
> But with that said, I see that you seem to be logged in there. All I can
> think of then is that you need to refresh your browser, to free it from
> the cache. Maybe even close the browser and try again.
>
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Re: I can help

Gunnar Hjalmarsson
On 2020-07-22 00:37, John Shipp wrote:
> I'm going to start with some more minor changes and work my way up to
>  the major stuff like removing the obsolete SMB stuff from the
> MountWindowsSharesPermanently page.  Is there a group that I can
> discuss major changes with?

Not really AFAIK. Whom to talk with depends reasonably on the topic.

I'm not sure, but the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list might be a place
to discuss changes or get a second opinion. It's followed by quite a few
developers.

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss

Or start a new topic here:

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/documentation

> There must be a person or group that prevents people from being
> reckless?

In an ideal world.

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RE: I can help

Doug Smythies
Hi John,

Just catching up.
Your help anywhere here would be most welcome.

You mention some samba stuff. Consider if your ability to contribute would be better suited for the samba area of the Ubuntu serverguide [1].

[1] https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/samba-introduction.

... Doug



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Re: I can help

Esme Xuan Lim
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Hey there,

I switched to Linux very recently and had been thinking about how to
contribute to the Ubuntu community myself. Thanks for starting this
conversation John, I had been thinking of updating a different wiki - the
Contribute wiki - myself as I found that as the first doc/wiki anyone would
see interested in contributing, it would help reduce the perception of
dauntingness in contributing. I've been meaning to find the time to update
that doc, it's great to see the conversation being started. It was
overwhelming for me for a few months

If you need to sound out ideas/execution plans on how to fix the docs, drop
me an email, I'll help if I have the answers - especially since we're both
navigating in this (slightly) wild world:)

Esme

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> Hi John,
>
> Thanks for your message!
>
> On 2020-07-21 04:24, John Shipp wrote:
> > hi.  I'd like to contribute to the Ubuntu Community Wiki.  I joined
> > the "Ubuntu Wiki Editors" team, but I don't seem to have permission
> > to edit the wiki.
>
> Did you log in?
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki
>
> > After being let down by the wiki while trying to setup a persistent
> > mount in my fstab, I stumbled upon the answer in this bug report,
> > which is 7 YEARS old.
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1244123
> >
> > A guy had the answer, but was told the edit the wiki himself.  It's
> > apparently not easy to edit the wiki.
>
> I was the one who suggested that. And yes, it's pretty easy once you are
> logged in. :)
>
> You need to understand what the Community Help Wiki is about. It
> consists of contributions from community members. Ideally those who put
> up new pages keep maintaining them, but that's not always the case.
> Anybody with sufficient skill can jump in and improve an existing page,
> but there are not enough people who do that kind of work, and as a
> result some pages are outdated.
>
> Previously there was a team dedicated to monitoring the Community Help
> Wiki, but its members stepped down.
>
> > I stuck my head in the IRC room too but then noticed the IRC Archive
> > which shows the IRC room is pretty much dead.  The bug is fairly
> > major, Ubuntu doesn't actually mount a windows share at boot without
> > the option i'm trying to add to the fstab line, and it's embarrassing
> > for the wiki to be so bad.
> >
> > I have an updated page I'd like to upload (see attached).
> >
> > A lot of the content on the MountWindowsSharesPermanently page
> > pertains to obsolete versions of Ubuntu, and should be removed or
> > archived, so people won't have to wade thru so much mess to get what
> > they need.  I would rewrite the whole page from scratch if somebody
> > would let me.
>
> Please feel free to go ahead and improve it, if you have enough
> knowledge on the topic.
>
> > Ubuntu-doc's own documentation needs a lot of attention.  For
> > example, on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda,
> > "The next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, May 30, 2017 @ 18:00 UTC"
> > - um, is there anybody at the wheel anymore?
>
> Well, I am as regards the official desktop guide, together with Doug
> Smythies who helps with the publishing at <https://help.ubuntu.com>. But
> that is quite a different kind of work compared with maintaining the
> Community Help Wiki.
>
> > I believe I would be a good candidate to take the wheel if the
> > position is open.
>
> Unfortunately most positions are open. If your interest is primarily the
> Community Help Wiki, it would be much appreciated if you would like to
> work with improvement of those pages/sections where you have the
> sufficient knowledge to do so.
>
> As regards the official desktop guide, an extra member would certainly
> be welcome. My time/energy suffices to keep it rolling, but the contents
> would need more attention. Please note, though, that there is a learning
> curve before you would be able to really contribute to the desktop guide.
>
> > I've also noticed a few minor grammar mistakes on other pages, and I
> > would fix them if I can.
> >
> > I over 20 years experience in helping "normal" people with computer
> > problems.  I can put things in words that beginners can understand.
> > Don't just take my word for it, you can read some of my articles at
> > jshipp.com/articles.  I'm a self employed I.T. advisor.  I've been
> > using Ubuntu Server in several production environments for 13 years
> > and I ditched Windows for Ubuntu Desktop about a year ago.  It was an
> > easy switch at home where I mainly use a web browser, remmina, and a
> > printer. Switching my work computer was NOT easy but I stuck in there
> > and got thru it.  I almost gave up several times, and learned a lot
> > on the way. I took good notes and I believe my notes would be a great
> > addition to the community wiki.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Gunnar Hjalmarsson
> https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:10:19 -0500
> From: John Shipp <[hidden email]>
> To: Gunnar Hjalmarsson <[hidden email]>,
>         [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: I can help
> Message-ID:
>         <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Here's a screenshot showing I'm logged in and not allowed to edit a
> page.
> https://jshipp.com/screenshot.png
> thanks,-john
>
> On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 14:07 +0200, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
> > Hi John,
> > Thanks for your message!
> > On 2020-07-21 04:24, John Shipp wrote:
> > > hi.  I'd like to contribute to the Ubuntu Community Wiki.  I
> > > joinedthe "Ubuntu Wiki Editors" team, but I don't seem to have
> > > permissionto edit the wiki.
> >
> > Did you log in?
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommunityHelpWiki
> >
> > > After being let down by the wiki while trying to setup a
> > > persistentmount in my fstab, I stumbled upon the answer in this bug
> > > report,which is 7 YEARS old.
> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1244123
> > >
> > > A guy had the answer, but was told the edit the wiki
> > > himself.  It'sapparently not easy to edit the wiki.
> >
> > I was the one who suggested that. And yes, it's pretty easy once you
> > are logged in. :)
> > You need to understand what the Community Help Wiki is about. It
> > consists of contributions from community members. Ideally those who
> > put up new pages keep maintaining them, but that's not always the
> > case. Anybody with sufficient skill can jump in and improve an
> > existing page, but there are not enough people who do that kind of
> > work, and as a result some pages are outdated.
> > Previously there was a team dedicated to monitoring the Community Help
> > Wiki, but its members stepped down.
> > > I stuck my head in the IRC room too but then noticed the IRC
> > > Archivewhich shows the IRC room is pretty much dead.  The bug is
> > > fairlymajor, Ubuntu doesn't actually mount a windows share at boot
> > > withoutthe option i'm trying to add to the fstab line, and it's
> > > embarrassingfor the wiki to be so bad.
> > > I have an updated page I'd like to upload (see attached).
> > > A lot of the content on the MountWindowsSharesPermanently
> > > pagepertains to obsolete versions of Ubuntu, and should be removed
> > > orarchived, so people won't have to wade thru so much mess to get
> > > whatthey need.  I would rewrite the whole page from scratch if
> > > somebodywould let me.
> >
> > Please feel free to go ahead and improve it, if you have enough
> > knowledge on the topic.
> > > Ubuntu-doc's own documentation needs a lot of
> > > attention.  Forexample, on
> > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda,"The next
> > > meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, May 30, 2017 @ 18:00 UTC"- um, is
> > > there anybody at the wheel anymore?
> >
> > Well, I am as regards the official desktop guide, together with Doug
> > Smythies who helps with the publishing at <https://help.ubuntu.com>;.
> > But that is quite a different kind of work compared with maintaining
> > the Community Help Wiki.
> > > I believe I would be a good candidate to take the wheel if
> > > theposition is open.
> >
> > Unfortunately most positions are open. If your interest is primarily
> > the Community Help Wiki, it would be much appreciated if you would
> > like to work with improvement of those pages/sections where you have
> > the sufficient knowledge to do so.
> > As regards the official desktop guide, an extra member would certainly
> > be welcome. My time/energy suffices to keep it rolling, but the
> > contents would need more attention. Please note, though, that there is
> > a learning curve before you would be able to really contribute to the
> > desktop guide.
> > > I've also noticed a few minor grammar mistakes on other pages, and
> > > Iwould fix them if I can.
> > > I over 20 years experience in helping "normal" people with
> > > computerproblems.  I can put things in words that beginners can
> > > understand.Don't just take my word for it, you can read some of my
> > > articles atjshipp.com/articles.  I'm a self employed I.T.
> > > advisor.  I've beenusing Ubuntu Server in several production
> > > environments for 13 yearsand I ditched Windows for Ubuntu Desktop
> > > about a year ago.  It was aneasy switch at home where I mainly use a
> > > web browser, remmina, and aprinter. Switching my work computer was
> > > NOT easy but I stuck in thereand got thru it.  I almost gave up
> > > several times, and learned a loton the way. I took good notes and I
> > > believe my notes would be a greataddition to the community wiki.
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:01:16 +0200
> From: Gunnar Hjalmarsson <[hidden email]>
> To: John Shipp <[hidden email]>,
>         [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: I can help
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 2020-07-21 16:01, John Shipp wrote:
> > See attached screenshot showing I'm logged in and not allowed to edit
> > a page.
>
> That's the 'other wiki', not the Community Help Wiki, and you need to be
> logged in to that wiki separately.
>
> But with that said, I see that you seem to be logged in there. All I can
> think of then is that you need to refresh your browser, to free it from
> the cache. Maybe even close the browser and try again.
>
> --
> Gunnar Hjalmarsson
> https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:37:30 -0500
> From: John Shipp <[hidden email]>
> To: Gunnar Hjalmarsson <[hidden email]>,
>         [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: I can help
> Message-ID:
>         <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> ok apparently I was logging in with a different account...  My approved
> username is shippj but I also have a jshipp account that I created
> for ubuntuforums.org and they both use the same single-sign-on domain so
> it was confusing LastPass and I didn't realize it!  Sorry for the
> ruffle!
>
> I was able to load my new version of the MountWindowsSharesPermanently
> page.
>
> I'm going to start with some more minor changes and work my way up to
> the major stuff like removing the obsolete SMB stuff from the
> MountWindowsSharesPermanently page.  Is there a group that I can discuss
> major changes with?  There must be a person or group that prevents
> people from being reckless?
>
> thanks,
> -john
>
>
> On Tue, 2020-07-21 at 18:01 +0200, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
> > On 2020-07-21 16:01, John Shipp wrote:
> > > See attached screenshot showing I'm logged in and not allowed to edit
> > > a page.
> >
> > That's the 'other wiki', not the Community Help Wiki, and you need to be
> > logged in to that wiki separately.
> >
> > But with that said, I see that you seem to be logged in there. All I can
> > think of then is that you need to refresh your browser, to free it from
> > the cache. Maybe even close the browser and try again.
> >
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 07:34:43 +0200
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> To: John Shipp <[hidden email]>,
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> On 2020-07-22 00:37, John Shipp wrote:
> > I'm going to start with some more minor changes and work my way up to
> >  the major stuff like removing the obsolete SMB stuff from the
> > MountWindowsSharesPermanently page.  Is there a group that I can
> > discuss major changes with?
>
> Not really AFAIK. Whom to talk with depends reasonably on the topic.
>
> I'm not sure, but the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list might be a place
> to discuss changes or get a second opinion. It's followed by quite a few
> developers.
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
>
> Or start a new topic here:
>
> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/documentation
>
> > There must be a person or group that prevents people from being
> > reckless?
>
> In an ideal world.
>
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> https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj
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RE: I can help

Doug Smythies
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On 2020.07.20 John Shipp wrote:
>
> Ubuntu-doc's own documentation needs a lot of attention.  For example,
> on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda, "The next
> meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, May 30, 2017 @ 18:00 UTC" - um, is
> there anybody at the wheel anymore?

Fixed.
The meeting notice in the banner has also been deleted.

I went through every doc team wiki page some years ago
and updated and fixed them all. It was a real saga.

And yes, I have now fallen behind.

> I believe I would be a good
> candidate to take the wheel if the position is open.
>

Feel free to take over.


... Doug



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Re: I can help

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I went ahead and created a new article from scratch, but there's more
work I want to do on it before we link to it from anywhere, and I'd
really like to get more confirmation from somewhere that I'm not being
reckless.
Here's my new article:
https://help.ubuntu.com/com id="-x-evo-selection-start-marker">munity/MountCifsFstab
I plan on testing it on Ubuntu 20.04, 18,04,16.04, and 14.04 and against
windows 10,8,7, vista and maybe XP, and adjusting the article as needed.
 I'm also going to show some benchmarks to show people how much faster
this type of mount is compared to the gui's userland fuse mount.
I'm proposing it to REPLACE all the following pages:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanentlyhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountWindowsSharesPermanentlyhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountSAMBAshareFSTABhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaClientGuide
I am aware the first link is official documentation that ships with
ubuntu.  I believe my new page has all the content that people are
looking for from those 4 pages, minus the obsolete stuff.   The way I
look at it is people can google the obsolete stuff if they need.  The
documentation that normal people are expected to use isn't the place for
obsolete stuff.  If everybody is cool with this, I'll continue making
major updates like this without bothering the mailing list about
everything if that's cool with everybody.  Btw, how many people are on
this mailing list?  And how many are actually active?
My samba article would absolutely be relevant on servers, possibly even
more relevant than it is on desktops because desktops have an easier way
baked into the gui (userland's fuse cifs client) and servers commonly
need a persistent and high performance mount.  I also plan on creating a
new page about mounting windows shares from the GUI and showing how to
do it with screenshots in each major flavor of ubuntu.
thanks,-john




On Wed, 2020-07-22 at 06:36 -0700, Doug Smythies wrote:
> Hi John,
> Just catching up.Your help anywhere here would be most welcome.
> You mention some samba stuff. Consider if your ability to contribute
> would be better suited for the samba area of the Ubuntu serverguide
> [1].
> [1] https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/samba-introduction.
> ... Doug
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RE: I can help

Doug Smythies
Hi John,

Notice that I am responding with text only formatting, and in-line reply.
It is difficult to search the archives when e-mails are html.

On 2020.07.22 14:10 John Shipp wrote:

> I plan on testing it on Ubuntu 20.04, 18,04,16.04, and 14.04

14.04 is past EOL (End Of Life).

> and against windows 10,8,7, vista and maybe XP,

I am not very knowledgeable about windows, although I do use it.
Aren't vista and XP past EOL?

> I am aware the first link is official documentation that ships with ubuntu.

I don't think so.

> Btw, how many people are on this mailing list?

719.

> And how many are actually active?

I would say 2, Gunnar and myself.

In the archives you will see traffic from others,
being mainly the server team during the recent
serverguide conversion to discourse stuff.

... Doug



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