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Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

Chris-4
This is probably pretty OT but I have to ask anyway just because the
idiots at my ISP think the problem is because I'm running Linux and
Evolution. Every time I try to forward a spam to their
[hidden email] address I get the attached screenshot. I ran this
Evolution debug command - CAMEL_DEBUG=smtp evolution >& embarq.txt and
the last line of the output reads to me that the issue is that their
server thinks the spam I'm trying to report is spam, of course it is.

[SMTP] Connecting to server smtp.embarqmail.com:25 from account
1414156398.2275.3@localhost
[SMTP] received: 220 smtp.centurylink.net ESMTP
[SMTP] sending: EHLO localhost
[SMTP] received: 250-smtp04.onyx.dfw.sync.lan says EHLO to
71.221.16.42:57414
[SMTP] received: 250-XDUMPCONTEXT
[SMTP] received: 250-AUTH=LOGIN
[SMTP] received: 250-AUTH LOGIN
[SMTP] received: 250-PIPELINING
[SMTP] received: 250-8BITMIME
[SMTP] received: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
[SMTP] received: 250 STARTTLS
[SMTP] sending: STARTTLS
[SMTP] received: 220 2.0.0 continue
[SMTP] sending: EHLO localhost
[SMTP] received: 250-smtp04.onyx.dfw.sync.lan says EHLO to
71.221.16.42:57414
[SMTP] received: 250-PIPELINING
[SMTP] received: 250-XDUMPCONTEXT
[SMTP] received: 250-8BITMIME
[SMTP] received: 250-AUTH=LOGIN
[SMTP] received: 250-AUTH LOGIN
[SMTP] received: 250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
[SMTP] sending: AUTH LOGIN
[SMTP] received: 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
[SMTP] sending: Y3BvbGxvY2tAZW1iYXJxbWFpbC5jb20=
[SMTP] received: 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6
[SMTP] sending: Q0Fwb1QxOTQ4
[SMTP] received: 235 2.0.0 Authed. Go on.
[SMTP] Sending with server smtp.embarqmail.com:25 from account
1414156398.2275.3@localhost
[SMTP] sending: MAIL FROM:<[hidden email]> BODY=8BITMIME
[SMTP] received: 250 SPF validation soft failure
[SMTP] sending: RCPT TO:<[hidden email]>
[SMTP] received: 250 2.1.5 Accepted for you
[SMTP] sending: DATA
[SMTP] received: 354 3.0.0 continue.  finished with "\r\n.\r\n"
[SMTP] sending: \r\n.\r\n
[SMTP] received: 554 5.7.1 [P4] Message blocked due to spam content in
the message.

Or am I wrong that the issue is on their end?
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Re: Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

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On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 4:10 PM Chris <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is probably pretty OT but I have to ask anyway just because the
idiots at my ISP think the problem is because I'm running Linux and
Evolution. Every time I try to forward a spam to their
[hidden email] address I get the attached screenshot. I ran this
Evolution debug command - CAMEL_DEBUG=smtp evolution >& embarq.txt and
the last line of the output reads to me that the issue is that their
server thinks the spam I'm trying to report is spam, of course it is.

[SMTP] Connecting to server smtp.embarqmail.com:25 from account
1414156398.2275.3@localhost
[SMTP] received: 220 smtp.centurylink.net ESMTP

I agree that it's doubtful that the problem is because you're using linux, however "good luck" getting them to acknowledge that.

One thing that jumps right out -- does CenturyLink not offer a secure SMTP connection? All of the email ISPs I have used for ... for more than ten years ... restrict the use of port 25 and insecure SMTP, even from within their own networks. Years ago it was a big issue because malware would camp out on folks' PCs and spew spam via whatever SMTP server they could find.

However I would think that issue might prevent you from sending ANY email via your CenturyLink account.

Look in your setup information (documentation at CenturyLink) for encrypted SMTP connections and see if they offer any "three digit" port numbers instead of 25. Looking through my various ISPs I see port 465 or 587 and the specific secure protocol, such as SSL, TLS, STARTTLS, and the authentication method their server expects.

You might also try a different email client such as Thunderbird, which in recent years has become pretty good at negotiating the IMAP and SMTP connections with the server without much intervention. It's been years since I've used Evolution so I don't have recent experience with it.


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Re: Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

Chris-4
On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 09:15 -0500, Tommy Trussell wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 4:10 PM Chris <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > This is probably pretty OT but I have to ask anyway just because
> > the
> > idiots at my ISP think the problem is because I'm running Linux and
> > Evolution. Every time I try to forward a spam to their
> > [hidden email] address I get the attached screenshot. I ran
> > this
> > Evolution debug command - CAMEL_DEBUG=smtp evolution >& embarq.txt
> > and
> > the last line of the output reads to me that the issue is that
> > their
> > server thinks the spam I'm trying to report is spam, of course it
> > is.
> >
> > [SMTP] Connecting to server smtp.embarqmail.com:25 from account
> > 1414156398.2275.3@localhost
> > [SMTP] received: 220 smtp.centurylink.net ESMTP
>
> I agree that it's doubtful that the problem is because you're using
> linux, however "good luck" getting them to acknowledge that.
>
> One thing that jumps right out -- does CenturyLink not offer a secure
> SMTP connection? All of the email ISPs I have used for ... for more
> than ten years ... restrict the use of port 25 and insecure SMTP,
> even from within their own networks. Years ago it was a big issue
> because malware would camp out on folks' PCs and spew spam via
> whatever SMTP server they could find.
>
> However I would think that issue might prevent you from sending ANY
> email via your CenturyLink account.
>
> Look in your setup information (documentation at CenturyLink) for
> encrypted SMTP connections and see if they offer any "three digit"
> port numbers instead of 25. Looking through my various ISPs I see
> port 465 or 587 and the specific secure protocol, such as SSL, TLS,
> STARTTLS, and the authentication method their server expects.
>
> You might also try a different email client such as Thunderbird,
> which in recent years has become pretty good at negotiating the IMAP
> and SMTP connections with the server without much intervention. It's
> been years since I've used Evolution so I don't have recent
> experience with it.
>
Tried port 587, same result

[SMTP] Sending with server smtp.embarqmail.com:587 from account
1414156398.2275.3@localhost
[SMTP] sending: MAIL FROM:<[hidden email]> BODY=8BITMIME
[SMTP] received: 250 SPF validation soft failure
[SMTP] sending: RCPT TO:<[hidden email]>
[SMTP] received: 250 2.1.5 Accepted for you
[SMTP] sending: DATA
[SMTP] received: 354 3.0.0 continue.  finished with "\r\n.\r\n"
[SMTP] sending: \r\n.\r\n
[SMTP] received: 554 5.7.1 [P4] Message blocked due to spam content in
the message.

After posting the debug info I got a reply back that said they were passing
this on to the appropriate teams whoever that is. Guess I'll just wait
and see for a day or so then start bugging them again. I'll see if I can get
Thunderbird setup and give it a try.

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Re: Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

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On 2019-08-21 12:09 p.m., Chris wrote:

> [SMTP] received: 554 5.7.1 [P4] Message blocked due to spam content in
> the message.
>

Looks like this is job done.



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Re: Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

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On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 14:12 -0400, Rashkae wrote:
> On 2019-08-21 12:09 p.m., Chris wrote:
>
> > [SMTP] received: 554 5.7.1 [P4] Message blocked due to spam content
> > in
> > the message.
> >
>
> Looks like this is job done.
>
Not sure what you mean? I would think that mail being forwarded to a
their spam reporting address should not be blocked for spam content.

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Re: Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

Rashkae-2
On 2019-08-21 3:06 p.m., Chris wrote:

> On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 14:12 -0400, Rashkae wrote:
>> On 2019-08-21 12:09 p.m., Chris wrote:
>>
>>> [SMTP] received: 554 5.7.1 [P4] Message blocked due to spam content
>>> in
>>> the message.
>>>
>>
>> Looks like this is job done.
>>
> Not sure what you mean? I would think that mail being forwarded to a
> their spam reporting address should not be blocked for spam content.
>

If their spam blocker is blocking the e-mail, then the content of the
e-mail has already been added to their filters,, no need for more
submissions.


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Re: Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

Chris-4
On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 18:04 -0400, Rashkae wrote:

> On 2019-08-21 3:06 p.m., Chris wrote:
> > On Wed, 2019-08-21 at 14:12 -0400, Rashkae wrote:
> > > On 2019-08-21 12:09 p.m., Chris wrote:
> > >
> > > > [SMTP] received: 554 5.7.1 [P4] Message blocked due to spam
> > > > content
> > > > in
> > > > the message.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Looks like this is job done.
> > >
> >
> > Not sure what you mean? I would think that mail being forwarded to
> > a
> > their spam reporting address should not be blocked for spam
> > content.
> >
>
> If their spam blocker is blocking the e-mail, then the content of the
> e-mail has already been added to their filters,, no need for more
> submissions.
>
>
Hmm, I guess that does kind of make sense. However I think that the
address should accept any spam forwarded to it.

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Re: Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 17:21:56 -0500, Chris wrote:
>> If their spam blocker is blocking the e-mail, then the content of the
>> e-mail has already been added to their filters,, no need for more
>> submissions.
>>  
>Hmm, I guess that does kind of make sense.

If so, then why do the people from the ISP think the causes are Linux
and Evolution? They could just say, that spam that already is in the
database is blocked, further reporting is impossible. If spam is
already in the data base, then why does the OP still receive it? Ok, it
could be a race condition. OTOH usually ISP support teams aren't
technicians, usually they are just call center agents without
knowledge, they usually just repeat the standard answers to FAQ.
Technically related FAQ are usually only provided for common used
platforms. While in this case the culprits unlikely aren't Linux and
Evolution, it's reasonable that they do not provide support for Linux,
since it's absolutely impossible to keep up with all distros, software
combinations and possible configurations.

Calling them "idiots" is unfair. You can't expect that an ISP pays
technicians for doing a call center job or written support. If they
would do, the costs for the customers would be way higher and only
a minority of customers would benefit from such enhanced support.

The OP does use "X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.1".

It is 1 year old.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ lsb_release -r
Release: rolling
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep evolution\ \( /var/log/pacman.log | grep 3.28.5 | head -1
[2018-07-31 04:56] [ALPM] upgraded evolution (3.28.4-1 -> 3.28.5-1)

You even won't get full support by the Evolution team for such an
outdated version, since even they don't remember all settings/menu
options of outdated releases.

However, only a technicians could notice that an issue isn't related to
the operating system or MUA of a customer. It's more cost efficient to
support platforms, that allow support by people who aren't technicians,
because those platforms are less diverse and follow a professional
marketing strategy.

A good example are Microsoft and Apple based systems. Yes, they are so
buggy and restricted and you know so many people that run into serious
issues when using those platforms. Linux is that much better.

Actually Microsoft and Apple are that successful, because the overall
plans are professional plans. It works for the majority of desktop
computer users way better than Linux.

I like FreeBSD and Linux much, but there are reasons that I pay a lot
of money for a completely restricted platform. At the end of the day I
get work done with my Apple gear. The whole western and eastern
societies make a profit by mainly using Microsoft and Apple products for
the desktop machines. If Microsoft and Apple would be that crappy, our
societies wouldn't be economically that successful as they are.



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Re: Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

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On Thu, 2019-08-22 at 02:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users wrote:
> While in this case the culprits unlikely aren't Linux and
> Evolution                                ^^^^^^
                                           ^^^^^^ this should read "are"



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Re: Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

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On Thu, 2019-08-22 at 02:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 17:21:56 -0500, Chris wrote:
> > > If their spam blocker is blocking the e-mail, then the content of
> > > the
> > > e-mail has already been added to their filters,, no need for more
> > > submissions.
> > >  
> >
> > Hmm, I guess that does kind of make sense.
>
> If so, then why do the people from the ISP think the causes are Linux
> and Evolution? They could just say, that spam that already is in the
> database is blocked, further reporting is impossible. If spam is
> already in the data base, then why does the OP still receive it? Ok,
> it
Ralf, you are absolutely correct, it doesn't make sense and I did state
that after I said the above that no matter what the spam reporting
address should accept spam reports no matter what.

> Calling them "idiots" is unfair. You can't expect that an ISP pays
> technicians for doing a call center job or written support. If they
> would do, the costs for the customers would be way higher and only
> a minority of customers would benefit from such enhanced support.

So, if that's the case Ralf how do you suggest I get support for an
issue like this? I agree with you that it's absurd for an ISP to know
the ins and outs of every distro and every MUA that's used. However
when presented with debug output that shows it's being rejected at
their server I'd think someone in the tech support hierarchy would be
able to look at it and realize there may just be an issue somewhere.

>
> The OP does use "X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.1".
>
> It is 1 year old.
>
> [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ lsb_release -r
> Release: rolling
> [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep evolution\ \( /var/log/pacman.log |
> grep 3.28.5 | head -1
> [2018-07-31 04:56] [ALPM] upgraded evolution (3.28.4-1 -> 3.28.5-1)
>
> You even won't get full support by the Evolution team for such an
> outdated version, since even they don't remember all settings/menu
> options of outdated releases.
>
Yes, I could run the most recent version of Ubuntu to get the latest
release of Evo but I prefer to stay with the LTS releases.

> However, only a technicians could notice that an issue isn't related
> to
> the operating system or MUA of a customer. It's more cost efficient
> to
> support platforms, that allow support by people who aren't
> technicians,
> because those platforms are less diverse and follow a professional
> marketing strategy.
>
Agreed
>
I have set up a basic Thunderbird mailer just to test whether or not
when spam is attached to a message to their spam reporting address it's
rejected. I ran TBird in SMTP debug mode

[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Connecting to:
smtp.centurylink.net:587
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 220 smtp.centurylink.net
ESMTP
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 14
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Send: EHLO [192.168.0.220]
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250-smtp01.onyx.dfw.sync.lan
says EHLO to 71.221.16.42:54336
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250-PIPELINING
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250-8BITMIME
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250-STARTTLS
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250-AUTH=LOGIN
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250 AUTH LOGIN
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 4
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 21
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Send: STARTTLS
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 220 2.0.0 continue
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 19
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 14
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Send: EHLO [192.168.0.220]
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250-smtp01.onyx.dfw.sync.lan
says EHLO to 71.221.16.42:54336
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250-8BITMIME
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250-AUTH=LOGIN
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250-AUTH LOGIN
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250 PIPELINING
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 4
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 21
[21425:Main Thread]: D/SMTP SMTP auth: server caps 0x20120, pref 0x300,
failed 0x0, avail caps 0x100
[21425:Main Thread]: D/SMTP (GSSAPI = 0x800, CRAM = 0x2000, NTLM =
0x4000, MSN =  0x8000, PLAIN = 0x200, LOGIN = 0x100, EXTERNAL = 0x400)
[21425:Main Thread]: D/SMTP trying auth method 0x100
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 15
[21425:Main Thread]: D/SMTP SMTP: MSN or LOGIN auth, step 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Send: AUTH LOGIN
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 13
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 16
[21425:Main Thread]: D/SMTP SMTP AuthLoginStep1() for
[hidden email]@smtp.centurylink.net
[21425:Main Thread]: D/SMTP LOGIN auth
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP Logging suppressed for this command (it
probably contained authentication information)
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 18
[21425:Main Thread]: D/SMTP SMTP Login response, code 334
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 17
[21425:Main Thread]: D/SMTP SMTP AuthLoginStep2
[21425:Main Thread]: D/SMTP LOGIN auth, step 2
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP Logging suppressed for this command (it
probably contained authentication information)
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 235 2.0.0 Authed. Go on.
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 18
[21425:Main Thread]: D/SMTP SMTP Login response, code 235
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 3
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Send: MAIL FROM:<
[hidden email]> BODY=8BITMIME
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250 SPF validation soft
failure
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 5
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Send: RCPT TO:<[hidden email]>
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250 2.1.5 Accepted for you
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 6
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Send: DATA
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 354 3.0.0
continue.  finished with "\r\n.\r\n"
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 7
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 8
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Send: .
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 250 SPF validation soft
failure
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 9
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Send: QUIT
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 0
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP Response: 221 2.3.0
smtp01.onyx.dfw.sync.lan closing connection
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 10
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP entering state: 12
[21425:Main Thread]: I/SMTP SMTP connection error quitting 804b0002,
ignoring

I also Bcc'd myself and did receive my copy. But, I have no idea
whether it really got to the intended address or not. If TBird works
and for some reason EVO doesn't then I guess my only alternative is to
save all their spam to a folder and attach it to a message.

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On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:24:05 -0500, Chris wrote:
>I also Bcc'd myself

If I Bcc to myself when using some ISPs, the mails I "receive" contain
intact readable Bcc headers! IOW the mails Bcc'ed to myself are
actually just copies, since if a mail was really sent via Bcc, the
received mail wouldn't contain a Bcc header anymore.

To ensure that the spam isn't already in their data base, send the mail
to yourself by using an email address of another provider.

If you should have very, very, especial super-good luck they
really passed it on to the appropriate teams, IOW to the technicians.
In Germany even the ISPs you pay don't care much about their customers
and regarding some issues you even can't go to law, since the general
terms and conditions might mention, that the internet service is just a
gift, there's no legal right to get a working gift. What you pay for
is not the gift, your monthly fee is for the service to get
advertisings and the fee is even not for the rooter as a whole, it's
just for the screw in the upper right corner of the router. The service
is for Windows users only. As long as you receive advertisings and as
long as the screw in the upper right corner of the router isn't
corroded, they fulfil the contract. Assuming the screw in the upper
right corner of the router should be corroded and you used the router
to access the Internet with a Linux machine, you need to pay for the
corroded screw, since the screw of the router is made for usage with
Windows only.

You probably consented to cover the price of your ISP's guitar lessons,
see between 1:10 and 1:29 of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98BbUEAaFgw .


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Re: Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

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On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:09:59 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:24:05 -0500, Chris wrote:
>>I also Bcc'd myself  
>
>If I Bcc to myself when using some ISPs, the mails I "receive" contain
>intact readable Bcc headers! IOW the mails Bcc'ed to myself are
>actually just copies, since if a mail was really sent via Bcc, the
>received mail wouldn't contain a Bcc header anymore.
>
>To ensure that the spam isn't already in their data base, send the mail
>to yourself by using an email address of another provider.
>
>If you should have very, very, especial super-good luck they
>really passed it on to the appropriate teams, IOW to the technicians.
>In Germany even the ISPs you pay don't care much about their customers
>and regarding some issues you even can't go to law, since the general
>terms and conditions might mention, that the internet service is just a
>gift, there's no legal right to get a working gift. What you pay for
>is not the gift, your monthly fee is for the service to get
>advertisings and the fee is even not for the rooter as a whole, it's
>just for the screw in the upper right corner of the router. The service
>is for Windows users only. As long as you receive advertisings and as
>long as the screw in the upper right corner of the router isn't
>corroded, they fulfil the contract. Assuming the screw in the upper
>right corner of the router should be corroded and you used the router
>to access the Internet with a Linux machine, you need to pay for the
>corroded screw, since the screw of the router is made for usage with
>Windows only.
>
>You probably consented to cover the price of your ISP's guitar lessons,
>see between 1:10 and 1:29 of
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98BbUEAaFgw .

And! Are you using the original cables of the ISP's router? Much likely
the service fails, due to usage of not supplied cables ;). There is a
reason that the original cables are already way too short, to place the
router on a little table close to the wall box.


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Re: Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

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On Thu, 2019-08-22 at 10:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users wrote:

>
>
> And! Are you using the original cables of the ISP's router? Much
> likely
> the service fails, due to usage of not supplied cables ;). There is a
> reason that the original cables are already way too short, to place
> the
> router on a little table close to the wall box.
>
>
Actually I have a DSL modem with built in Wifi. FWIW I forwarded a spam
using my Gmail address to their spam reporting address. It did not seem
to get rejected as it does when sending from my ISPs address

[SMTP] Connecting to server smtp.googlemail.com:465 from account
b5fcd73854eb9a76f5fbece557256bc5a4bc5456
[SMTP] received: 220 smtp.googlemail.com ESMTP m26sm6931588oie.58 -
gsmtp
[SMTP] sending: EHLO localhost
[SMTP] received: 250-smtp.googlemail.com at your service,
[71.221.16.42]
[SMTP] received: 250-SIZE 35882577
[SMTP] received: 250-8BITMIME
[SMTP] received: 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XOAUTH2 PLAIN-CLIENTTOKEN
OAUTHBEARER XOAUTH
[SMTP] received: 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
[SMTP] received: 250-PIPELINING
[SMTP] received: 250-CHUNKING
[SMTP] received: 250 SMTPUTF8
[SMTP] sending: AUTH XOAUTH2
dXNlcj1jaHJpcy5wb2xsb2NrMTk0OEBnbWFpbC5jb20BYXV0aD1CZWFyZXIgeWEyOS5HbDF
zQnlzOFd6d3JicmxUQlEzRmxoQ2Q0c1BfT2NqbXRvWFhmMGNWNUstV3NMazFGdjB6bzNJV1
ZsTEZDY0hLMWtXbXFlVWxESGtBQnp4TGZlWDg3c0dldEZ0Mi01dXYxSmN4Y0pRNmt0VUZhU
GhTekFHaHdlT0RfaFl4VDZRAQE=
[SMTP] received: 235 2.7.0 Accepted
[SMTP] Sending with server smtp.googlemail.com:465 from account
b5fcd73854eb9a76f5fbece557256bc5a4bc5456
[SMTP] sending: MAIL FROM:<[hidden email]> BODY=8BITMIME
[SMTP] received: 250 2.1.0 OK m26sm6931588oie.58 - gsmtp
[SMTP] sending: RCPT TO:<[hidden email]>
[SMTP] received: 250 2.1.5 OK m26sm6931588oie.58 - gsmtp
[SMTP] sending: DATA
[SMTP] received: 354  Go ahead m26sm6931588oie.58 - gsmtp
[SMTP] sending: \r\n.\r\n
[SMTP] received: 250 2.0.0 OK  1566484310 m26sm6931588oie.58 - gsmtp
[SMTP] sending: QUIT
[SMTP] received: 221 2.0.0 closing connection m26sm6931588oie.58 -
gsmtp
Error sending IPC message: Broken pipe
Error sending IPC message: Broken pipe
Error sending IPC message: Broken pipe
Error sending IPC message: Broken pipe
Error sending IPC message: Broken pipe

Now whether it was received by the spam reporting address I really
don't know.

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Re: (Solved) Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

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On Thu, 2019-08-22 at 10:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:09:59 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:24:05 -0500, Chris wrote:
> > > I also Bcc'd myself  
> >
> > If I Bcc to myself when using some ISPs, the mails I "receive"
> > contain
> > intact readable Bcc headers! IOW the mails Bcc'ed to myself are
> > actually just copies, since if a mail was really sent via Bcc, the
> > received mail wouldn't contain a Bcc header anymore.
> >
> > To ensure that the spam isn't already in their data base, send the
> > mail
> > to yourself by using an email address of another provider.
> >
> > If you should have very, very, especial super-good luck they
> > really passed it on to the appropriate teams, IOW to the
> > technicians.
> > In Germany even the ISPs you pay don't care much about their
> > customers
> > and regarding some issues you even can't go to law, since the
> > general
> > terms and conditions might mention, that the internet service is
> > just a
> > gift, there's no legal right to get a working gift. What you pay
> > for
> > is not the gift, your monthly fee is for the service to get
> > advertisings and the fee is even not for the rooter as a whole,
> > it's
> > just for the screw in the upper right corner of the router. The
> > service
> > is for Windows users only. As long as you receive advertisings and
> > as
> > long as the screw in the upper right corner of the router isn't
> > corroded, they fulfil the contract. Assuming the screw in the upper
> > right corner of the router should be corroded and you used the
> > router
> > to access the Internet with a Linux machine, you need to pay for
> > the
> > corroded screw, since the screw of the router is made for usage
> > with
> > Windows only.
> >
> > You probably consented to cover the price of your ISP's guitar
> > lessons,
> > see between 1:10 and 1:29 of
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98BbUEAaFgw .
>
> And! Are you using the original cables of the ISP's router? Much
> likely
> the service fails, due to usage of not supplied cables ;). There is a
> reason that the original cables are already way too short, to place
> the
> router on a little table close to the wall box.
>
After showing CenturyLink the EVO debug output when forwarding spam
using my Gmail account and it getting accepted by their servers they
have apparently found and fixed the issue, at least for the moment. I
can now forward it using my embarqmail address.

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Re: (Solved) Kind of OT - Error when forwarding spam to Centurylink

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On Fri, 23 Aug 2019 15:55:23 -0500, Chris wrote:
>After showing CenturyLink the EVO debug output when forwarding spam
>using my Gmail account and it getting accepted by their servers they
>have apparently found and fixed the issue, at least for the moment. I
>can now forward it using my embarqmail address.

:)


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