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On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Art Alexion <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 2:44 AM, John L Fjellstad
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> People complained about konqueror (jack of trades, master of none).  KDE
>> pulled out the file management part, and now people are complaining
>> about that.
>
> Gee, I never read any complaints about konqueror.  I guess my
> obliviousness to users concerns qualifies me as a KDE4 developer....
>
> Sorry, I couldn't resist that cheap shot.  :^)
>
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I think that is the funny part. The only complaints I ever heard were
about the web browser not the file viewer! And what did the devs throw
out? YES, the file viewer!



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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

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To the comment about the 8.04 not being a stable edition, that they
ALL are stable. Yes, you are right but they still tend to not take
chances until the long term is done and then they gut it and try new
stuff. You even see this in the names that they pick, most of the
time.

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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

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Art Alexion said...
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:09 AM, marc <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > (The users don't care,
> > and should never be made aware of, what is going on behind the scenes.)
> >
>
> How UN-open source of you...  :^)

:-) Sorry, I meant: when using the app.

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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

marc-16
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Knapp said...

> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Art Alexion <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 2:44 AM, John L Fjellstad
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> People complained about konqueror (jack of trades, master of none).  KDE
> >> pulled out the file management part, and now people are complaining
> >> about that.
> >
> > Gee, I never read any complaints about konqueror.  I guess my
> > obliviousness to users concerns qualifies me as a KDE4 developer....
> >
> > Sorry, I couldn't resist that cheap shot.  :^)
> >
> > --
> >
> > --
> > artAlexion
>
> I think that is the funny part. The only complaints I ever heard were
> about the web browser not the file viewer! And what did the devs throw
> out? YES, the file viewer!

Yup, I couldn't work that one out either.

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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

John L Fjellstad-2
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Knapp <[hidden email]> writes:

> I think that is the funny part. The only complaints I ever heard were
> about the web browser not the file viewer! And what did the devs throw
> out? YES, the file viewer!

You haven't been around long, then...

(Searching for Konqueror file manager sucks on Google, only looking at
Konq suck as filemanager):
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=232733
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/244114.html
http://www.nabble.com/Folder-preview-and-thunar-xfdesktop-integration-td15081392.html
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-desktop-x-windows/57976-looking-different-file-explorer-suggestions-please.html
http://markmail.org/message/abycnp2p7rwntd6q

There is a reason why apps like Krusader and Dolphin started showing
up.  People just weren't happy with the dualrole of Konqueror.

In fact, I don't think I remember seeing anyone say how good Konqueror
was as a filemanager until Dolphin showed up in 3.5.  Then again,
complainers are usually the louders.

I couldn't care less, frankly. I do all my file management in bash.

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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

Billie Walsh
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John L Fjellstad wrote:

> Derek Broughton <[hidden email]> writes:
>
>  
>> They are, but that doesn't alter the fact that if large numbers of users
>> are screaming, something is very wrong.  Sort of sounds like putting
>> KDE4 into Kubuntu 8.10...
>>    
>
> A large number of users were complaining about the kcontrol.  Now that
> KDE4 changed to a kubuntu-like control panel, you still hear complaints
> about the new control panel.
>
> People complained about konqueror (jack of trades, master of none).  KDE
> pulled out the file management part, and now people are complaining
> about that.
>
> One thing is certain: There will always be people complaining about
> everything you do or don't do.
>
>  

There's an old say, "You can't please all the people all the time."

Sometimes I think it should be, "You can't please anyone any time." *<]:oD

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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

Art Alexion-3
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On Monday 22 December 2008 10:22:10 am John L Fjellstad wrote:

> Knapp <[hidden email]> writes:
> > I think that is the funny part. The only complaints I ever heard were
> > about the web browser not the file viewer! And what did the devs throw
> > out? YES, the file viewer!
>
> You haven't been around long, then...
>
> (Searching for Konqueror file manager sucks on Google, only looking at
> Konq suck as filemanager):
> http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=232733
A guy using kde 3.1 (or older) who lost some files, many of the recommended
alternatives are no longer in development.


> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/244114.html

A guy who loves konqueror 3.3, though he hated previous versions.  The post is
primarily why he likes konqueror.


> http://www.nabble.com/Folder-preview-and-thunar-xfdesktop-integration-td150
>81392.html

This is a wishlist for Thunar (the lame xfce file manager).  If you want to
get anything interesting done in xfce, you have to use nautilus, and then you
are using gnome, not xfce.  The thread was flagged by google because there
was a comment by a guy who didn't like konqueror thumbnails.


> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-desktop-x-windows/57976-looking-diff
>erent-file-explorer-suggestions-please.html

A guy who prefers windows 95 explorer to konqueror in 2004.  Take it for what
it's worth.


> http://markmail.org/message/abycnp2p7rwntd6q

This is a bug report that merely states:
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95750       
Summary: konqueror worst file manager ever created
Status: UNCONFIRMED


I have, myself, made the mistake of confusing google hit quantity as support
for a proposition, without actually reading the cited pages.

When I read posts from this list and others, I take into account, the quality
and insightfulness of the post itself, i.e. was it well thought out?  Does it
make sense?  Who posts it, i.e. is it someone whose posts I have read before
and trust (or not)?  What is my own experience?

You really don't get the last the "who" from googling.


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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

John L Fjellstad-2
Art Alexion <[hidden email]> writes:

> I have, myself, made the mistake of confusing google hit quantity as support
> for a proposition, without actually reading the cited pages.
>
> When I read posts from this list and others, I take into account, the quality
> and insightfulness of the post itself, i.e. was it well thought out?  Does it
> make sense?  Who posts it, i.e. is it someone whose posts I have read before
> and trust (or not)?  What is my own experience?
>
> You really don't get the last the "who" from googling.

So, you compain that you have never read a complaint about konqueror as
a file manager, I send you a list of people complaining of konqueror as
a file manager, so you dismiss the list?  Right...

My point is, if you're a developer, and you hear about these complaints
year in and year out, sooner or later you either give up or think your
code suck. So, you make the change that the complainers complain about
(because most people who are happy with the solution probably won't be
piping up), and then you get new complaints because you made the change
that you got the feeling people requested in the first place.  

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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

Derek Broughton-2
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John L Fjellstad wrote:

> Derek Broughton <[hidden email]> writes:
>
>> They are, but that doesn't alter the fact that if large numbers of
>> users
>> are screaming, something is very wrong.  Sort of sounds like putting
>> KDE4 into Kubuntu 8.10...
>
> A large number of users were complaining about the kcontrol.  Now that
> KDE4 changed to a kubuntu-like control panel, you still hear
> complaints about the new control panel.

I've been on this list as long as there's _been_ a list, and honestly, I
don't believe a large number ever complained about kcontrol.  There
have, though been many complaints that things they _had_ in kcontrol
weren't showing in the newer "System Settings" (which in hindsight were
mostly not real problems, but the interface changed enough to confuse
people - without any help being offered).

> People complained about konqueror (jack of trades, master of none).
> KDE pulled out the file management part, and now people are
> complaining about that.

Different people - and they have a hell of a point.  If dolphin could
actually do more file management than konqueror did, it wouldn't be a
problem.  If the dolphin kpart actually properly integrated into
konqueror, it wouldn't be a problem.  Explain to me why I can split the
konqueror view pane, and open Dolphin in both sides, but I can't split
the view pane _from_ the Dolphin kpart?  That's just sloppy.

> One thing is certain: There will always be people complaining about
> everything you do or don't do.

Another thing is certain - if you ignore the people who are complaining,
the things they're complaining about won't go away.
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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

Derek Broughton-2
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Billie Walsh wrote:

> There's an old say, "You can't please all the people all the time."
>
> Sometimes I think it should be, "You can't please anyone any time."
> *<]:oD

In a desperate attempt to confuse everybody, I think it should be:

You can please some of the people all of the time,
and you can please all of the people some of the time,
but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

marc-16
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John L Fjellstad said...

> Art Alexion <[hidden email]> writes:
>
> > I have, myself, made the mistake of confusing google hit quantity as support
> > for a proposition, without actually reading the cited pages.
> >
> > When I read posts from this list and others, I take into account, the quality
> > and insightfulness of the post itself, i.e. was it well thought out?  Does it
> > make sense?  Who posts it, i.e. is it someone whose posts I have read before
> > and trust (or not)?  What is my own experience?
> >
> > You really don't get the last the "who" from googling.
>
> So, you compain that you have never read a complaint about konqueror as
> a file manager, I send you a list of people complaining of konqueror as
> a file manager, so you dismiss the list?  Right...
>
> My point is, if you're a developer, and you hear about these complaints
> year in and year out, sooner or later you either give up or think your
> code suck. So, you make the change that the complainers complain about
> (because most people who are happy with the solution probably won't be
> piping up), and then you get new complaints because you made the change
> that you got the feeling people requested in the first place.  

Ah! But then you've made the classic mistake of replacing functionality,
instead of providing the option of the old and the new. Good devs
understand this intuitively.

I use such a case during interviews; it's scary how inventive some devs
can be when justifying why providing users with options is a Really Bad
Thing(tm).

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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

Art Alexion-3
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On Monday 22 December 2008 12:24:50 John L Fjellstad wrote:
> So, you compain that you have never read a complaint about konqueror as
> a file manager, I send you a list of people complaining of konqueror as
> a file manager, so you dismiss the list?  Right...

Well you couldn't possibly have read the links before posting them or you
wouldn't have posted them.


>
> My point is, if you're a developer, and you hear about these complaints
> year in and year out, sooner or later you either give up or think your
> code suck. So, you make the change that the complainers complain about
> (because most people who are happy with the solution probably won't be
> piping up), and then you get new complaints because you made the change
> that you got the feeling people requested in the first place.  

Yes, and my point is that if you can't afford scientific market research, you
have to use tools, and that is to analyze the complaints according to
coherence and reputation of the complainer.

It may have been you who correctly pointed out that a lot of noise could come
from very few people.  There is nothing less accurate than an internet poll.  
So you do what you do with every other judgment you make; you do your best to
consider the quality of the opinions.

For example, I subscribe to a jazz list.  There are people on the list who
have introduced me to many gems, and whose tastes are similar to mine.  There
are others whose past recommendations caused me brain pain.  In that sense,
it isn't how many, but who is saying it.  Likewise, someone I don't know is
putting their recommendation in a context that I know I like, while others
make positive comparisons to stuff I don't like.  As people, we make these
informed judgments all the time.





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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

Art Alexion-3
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On Monday 22 December 2008 12:44:25 Derek Broughton wrote:

> Billie Walsh wrote:
> > There's an old say, "You can't please all the people all the time."
> >
> > Sometimes I think it should be, "You can't please anyone any time."
> > *<]:oD
>
> In a desperate attempt to confuse everybody, I think it should be:
>
> You can please some of the people all of the time,
> and you can please all of the people some of the time,
> but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
I thought it was

You can pick your friends, and
You can pick your nose, but
You shouldn't pick your friend's nose.

Sorry, I got carried away by the cadence.



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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

Knapp
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> For example, I subscribe to a jazz list.  There are people on the list who
> have introduced me to many gems, and whose tastes are similar to mine.  There
> are others whose past recommendations caused me brain pain.  In that sense,
> it isn't how many, but who is saying it.  Likewise, someone I don't know is
> putting their recommendation in a context that I know I like, while others
> make positive comparisons to stuff I don't like.  As people, we make these
> informed judgments all the time.
>
And this is a great point, who's tastes are correct? It is obvious to
you who's are better for you but not for everyone else, thus we have
many choices in a good system. We also have a choice of distros and
have picked this one because it has what we want and thus we don't
like that to change. And we REALLY don't like it when the change is to
something less functional. People hate change but they also always
think the grass is greener on the other side. Sometimes it is and we
need to be dragged over there but sometimes it simple is mud and we
get dirty and mad at the dragger and want to go back.
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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

Ric Moore
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On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 17:29 -0500, Clay Weber wrote:

> Unfortunately, that is a bad analogy as the 'customer' and 'retail business'
> concepts do not really fit, as each individual person who contributes (in
> whatever capacity) to an open source project does  so for their own personal
> reasons, even in a project as large in scope as KDE. They are not necessarily
> tied to 'customer service' if you will.

I think that the point being made is that by being "assertive" one looks
for the goals of others, as well as our own. So, compromise happens
where everyone gets "some" of their needs met. The other point being
made is that when compromise doesn't happen, that's "aggressive"
behavior. Textbook. Ric

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RE: Kmenu and KDE4

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Sorry replying on my phone
I was not implyinh that non lts releases are testing... Let me go back to another question then what is the difference between a stable and non stable release???  8.10 bis very stable on my Dell Lattitude

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Jonathan Jesse wrote:

>> I still think that KDE4 might be ready for Kubuntu by the time a new
>> stable release is due out.
>>
> I am confused as to what you mean by a stable release?  Are you
> confusing
> the terms Long Term Support (LTS) with stable?  8.10 and 8.04 were not
> expected to be LTS'd for Kubuntu.  Don't know what the discussion for
> the next LTS is or what version # that would be.

I really wish people would stop talking about non-LTS releases as if
they were testing platforms.  That was NEVER Ubuntu's plan.  All
releases are supposed to be _stable_, and the reason we jumped on the
bandwagon instead of sticking to Debian was that we were sick of the
time between stable releases. The next LTS for Kubuntu should be in
2010, but there should be two more _stable_ releases next year.  It
would be kind of nice if they were...
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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

John L Fjellstad-2
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Art Alexion <[hidden email]> writes:

> On Monday 22 December 2008 12:24:50 John L Fjellstad wrote:
>> So, you compain that you have never read a complaint about konqueror
>> as a file manager, I send you a list of people complaining of
>> konqueror as a file manager, so you dismiss the list?  Right...
>
> Well you couldn't possibly have read the links before posting them or
> you wouldn't have posted them.

I did. And the point was that people has been complaining about, even
though you claimed you never read anybody complaining about Konqueror as
a file manager.  But then, if you are going to just dismiss the
complaints, well...

> Yes, and my point is that if you can't afford scientific market
> research, you have to use tools, and that is to analyze the complaints
> according to coherence and reputation of the complainer.

What reputation?  We're talking about the Internet.  Now, someone like
Art and Derek might be known here, but they are probably just a random
guy on the KDE lists.  Now, I personally am waiting for a call from
President-elect Obama to help him with the economic crisis, especially
since I've posted on the Economist forums, which make me eminently
qualified to give an opinion, but that's because I'm an arrogant bastard.

> It may have been you who correctly pointed out that a lot of noise
> could come from very few people.  There is nothing less accurate than
> an internet poll.  So you do what you do with every other judgment you
> make; you do your best to consider the quality of the opinions.
>
> For example, I subscribe to a jazz list.  There are people on the list
> who have introduced me to many gems, and whose tastes are similar to
> mine.  There are others whose past recommendations caused me brain
> pain.  In that sense, it isn't how many, but who is saying it.
> Likewise, someone I don't know is putting their recommendation in a
> context that I know I like, while others make positive comparisons to
> stuff I don't like.  As people, we make these informed judgments all
> the time.

I agree.  And I might listen to you and Derek and Knapp more than
someone who just pop in here and give an opinion and disappear. But then
again, I hang out here (even though I don't post much) so I 'know' you
guys from your posts.  A developer is probably hanging out at their
developer and user lists (say KDE-developer and KDE-user or whatever),
and might get a link to some random user lists where my name shows
up. At that point, my opnion doesn't rank any higher than any other Joe
Random poster.

BTW. Happy Holidays everybody :-)

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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

John L Fjellstad-2
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Derek Broughton <[hidden email]> writes:

> I've been on this list as long as there's _been_ a list, and honestly, I
> don't believe a large number ever complained about kcontrol.  There
> have, though been many complaints that things they _had_ in kcontrol
> weren't showing in the newer "System Settings" (which in hindsight were
> mostly not real problems, but the interface changed enough to confuse
> people - without any help being offered).

I've been on Debian lists, Slashdot... People complained that kcontrol
gave too many options with too little organization

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Re: Kmenu and KDE4

Knapp
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On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Jonathan Jesse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sorry replying on my phone
> I was not implyinh that non lts releases are testing... Let me go back to another question then what is the difference between a stable and non stable release???  8.10 bis very stable on my Dell Lattitude

I would say that unstable has known bugs that crash the system. Stable
has no known bugs that can take out the system and perhaps all the
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Knapp
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Knapp <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Jonathan Jesse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Sorry replying on my phone
>> I was not implyinh that non lts releases are testing... Let me go back to another question then what is the difference between a stable and non stable release???  8.10 bis very stable on my Dell Lattitude
>
> I would say that unstable has known bugs that crash the system. Stable
> has no known bugs that can take out the system and perhaps all the
> programs are stable as well, IE not crashing.

To add one other thing, being stable on one system does not mean it is
stable. It must be stable across all systems that it is designed for.

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