Re: On updating /community/GraphicalInstall

[Chris Druif]

Hi Phill,

I've had a small chat with Lyz on IRC, but the docs team needs to make a decision on this. I'm not going to make this decision alone after only just being submitted to the team. As far as I'm concerned it should be moved to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidLynx/GraphicalInstall and be link to it from it's parent page. I also think instead of naming this one "Graphical Install" (which fits the bill, true) "Ubiquity" as everyone I know knows that it is called Ubiquity. But that is just a personal issue.

I've taken the liberty to add both the docs team as Kate in this message string to hopefully speed-up the process of getting a decision made.

With metta, Chris

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:59, Phill Whiteside <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Lyz,

Keeping wiki pages updated is a nightmare! We thought we had hunted all ours down that needed updating for 12.04..... Wrong!! Within Lubuntu we have a wiki / docs sub-team, this allows us to co-ordinate our activities without flooding the 'main' mailing list.

As for updating pages, the idea behind the wiki format is so that anyone can update things whilst retaining the ability to 'roll' back changes if need be. There's a whole load of useful information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide for those unsure about 'the best way' to do things like formatting, how to add / remove screen shots etc. Chris Druif is our head honcho for Wiki / Doc. Details on that team can be found via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#How_to_Contribute_.26_Participate Like myself, Chris is now a fully fledged wiki editor; although as I concentrate on QA stuff more these days, his knowledge now exceeds mine.

On the subject of 10.04 etc, there is still discussion ongoing on how best to handle pages for older and even obsloete releases. The best option at the moment is to move the, in this case, the 10.04 specific notes to from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall_10.04 with a pointer to it from its "parent" page, so those who wish to install 10.04 still have the details. I can't find the specific email thread, but from what I remember, this even applies to versions that are no longer supported so we as wiki people and others who have never wanted to update still have access to them.

I'm sure that Chris will have a clearer memory of where that part of the decission process is at and I've cc'd him my reply to ensure my facts are correct!

Regards,

Phill.

On 29 April 2012 11:44, Elizabeth Krumbach <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hey Phill,

I hope you don't mind the direct email, but I know you do a lot of
wiki stuff. I have a protocol question with it comes to updating the
/community wiki: is there a todo list somewhere or place where people
take on tasks for updating wiki pages? And any version-specific
information I should know about (we only update certain pages for LTS
versions, etc)?

To help illustrate, I ask because I've got some volunteers for Ubuntu
Learning again. Essentially what we do is link to the help.ubuntu.com
(and /community as needed) as core data for each class, then we write
an outline for an instructor with example exercises and quizzes. Now,
as part of this we want to help the wiki team update the docs, so the
first page we found and wanted to use...

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall

is for 10.04. I have someone ready to review it and make screenshots
reflecting 12.04. Is it ok for him to just jump right in?

Thanks!

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[Benjamin Kerensa]

Hello Chris, Phill and Elizabeth,

Glad you reached out about this.... In Q-Cycle their will be a move
towards a new platform for help.u.c which means migration of all content
on the entire domain not just /community

The idea behind the transition is to make it much easier to maintain
the documentation for Ubuntu and to also allow improved usability and
features.

So at this point it might not be in the best interest of everyone to
make any changes that might later have to be re-done on the new platform.

But I will discuss this with Jeremy Bicha and others as more is planned
for this transition and we get a clearer plan in place.


Benjamin Kerensa
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On 04/29/2012 06:38 PM, Chris Druif wrote:

> Hi Phill,
>
> I've had a small chat with Lyz on IRC, but the docs team needs to make a
> decision on this. I'm not going to make this decision alone after only just
> being submitted to the team. As far as I'm concerned it should be moved to
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidLynx/GraphicalInstall and be link to
> it from it's parent page. I also think instead of naming this one
> "Graphical Install" (which fits the bill, true) "Ubiquity" as everyone I
> know knows that it is called Ubiquity. But that is just a personal issue.
>
> I've taken the liberty to add both the docs team as Kate in this message
> string to hopefully speed-up the process of getting a decision made.
>
> With metta, Chris
>
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:59, Phill Whiteside<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>
>> Hi Lyz,
>>
>> Keeping wiki pages updated is a nightmare! We thought we had hunted all
>> ours down that needed updating for 12.04..... Wrong!! Within Lubuntu we
>> have a wiki / docs sub-team, this allows us to co-ordinate our activities
>> without flooding the 'main' mailing list.
>>
>> As for updating pages, the idea behind the wiki format is so that anyone
>> can update things whilst retaining the ability to 'roll' back changes if
>> need be. There's a whole load of useful information at
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide for those unsure about 'the
>> best way' to do things like formatting, how to add / remove screen shots
>> etc. Chris Druif is our head honcho for Wiki / Doc. Details on that team
>> can be found via
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#How_to_Contribute_.26_ParticipateLike myself, Chris is now a fully fledged wiki editor; although as I
>> concentrate on QA stuff more these days, his knowledge now exceeds mine.
>>
>> On the subject of 10.04 etc, there is still discussion ongoing on how best
>> to handle pages for older and even obsloete releases. The best option at
>> the moment is to move the, in this case, the 10.04 specific notes to from
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall to
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall_10.04 with a pointer
>> to it from its "parent" page, so those who wish to install 10.04 still have
>> the details. I can't find the specific email thread, but from what I
>> remember, this even applies to versions that are no longer supported so we
>> as wiki people and others who have never wanted to update still have access
>> to them.
>>
>> I'm sure that Chris will have a clearer memory of where that part of the
>> decission process is at and I've cc'd him my reply to ensure my facts are
>> correct!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>> On 29 April 2012 11:44, Elizabeth Krumbach<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Phill,
>>>
>>> I hope you don't mind the direct email, but I know you do a lot of
>>> wiki stuff. I have a protocol question with it comes to updating the
>>> /community wiki: is there a todo list somewhere or place where people
>>> take on tasks for updating wiki pages? And any version-specific
>>> information I should know about (we only update certain pages for LTS
>>> versions, etc)?
>>>
>>> To help illustrate, I ask because I've got some volunteers for Ubuntu
>>> Learning again. Essentially what we do is link to the help.ubuntu.com
>>> (and /community as needed) as core data for each class, then we write
>>> an outline for an instructor with example exercises and quizzes. Now,
>>> as part of this we want to help the wiki team update the docs, so the
>>> first page we found and wanted to use...
>>>
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall
>>>
>>> is for 10.04. I have someone ready to review it and make screenshots
>>> reflecting 12.04. Is it ok for him to just jump right in?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Elizabeth Krumbach // Lyz // pleia2
>>> http://www.princessleia.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> <http://www.princessleia.com>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
>>>
>>>
>
>
>

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[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your assistance on this one. I'm still on my training course, so my free time is limited.

hopefully there will be a final decision made about the naming convention for older releases made by the time UDS-Q is finished. As you state, it is important that we are using the same format. My suggestion was to temporarily copy the 'older' one over to a child page so that they can get the parent updated with 12.04 whilst not losing the previous work, until the new format of naming is finalised. If they wish to do a rename of the page, then I think we have enough practice of renaming and setting up a divert to avoid the dreaded 404 :) Which is what I was going to do with that <page-name>_10.04 one for them once the new naming convention is finalised.

Regards,

Phill.

On 30 April 2012 07:08, Chris Druif <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Phill,

I've had a small chat with Lyz on IRC, but the docs team needs to make a decision on this. I'm not going to make this decision alone after only just being submitted to the team. As far as I'm concerned it should be moved to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidLynx/GraphicalInstall and be link to it from it's parent page. I also think instead of naming this one "Graphical Install" (which fits the bill, true) "Ubiquity" as everyone I know knows that it is called Ubiquity. But that is just a personal issue.

I've taken the liberty to add both the docs team as Kate in this message string to hopefully speed-up the process of getting a decision made.

With metta, Chris

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:59, Phill Whiteside <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Lyz,

Keeping wiki pages updated is a nightmare! We thought we had hunted all ours down that needed updating for 12.04..... Wrong!! Within Lubuntu we have a wiki / docs sub-team, this allows us to co-ordinate our activities without flooding the 'main' mailing list.

As for updating pages, the idea behind the wiki format is so that anyone can update things whilst retaining the ability to 'roll' back changes if need be. There's a whole load of useful information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide for those unsure about 'the best way' to do things like formatting, how to add / remove screen shots etc. Chris Druif is our head honcho for Wiki / Doc. Details on that team can be found via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved#How_to_Contribute_.26_Participate Like myself, Chris is now a fully fledged wiki editor; although as I concentrate on QA stuff more these days, his knowledge now exceeds mine.

On the subject of 10.04 etc, there is still discussion ongoing on how best to handle pages for older and even obsloete releases. The best option at the moment is to move the, in this case, the 10.04 specific notes to from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall_10.04 with a pointer to it from its "parent" page, so those who wish to install 10.04 still have the details. I can't find the specific email thread, but from what I remember, this even applies to versions that are no longer supported so we as wiki people and others who have never wanted to update still have access to them.

I'm sure that Chris will have a clearer memory of where that part of the decission process is at and I've cc'd him my reply to ensure my facts are correct!

Regards,

Phill.

On 29 April 2012 11:44, Elizabeth Krumbach <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hey Phill,

I hope you don't mind the direct email, but I know you do a lot of
wiki stuff. I have a protocol question with it comes to updating the
/community wiki: is there a todo list somewhere or place where people
take on tasks for updating wiki pages? And any version-specific
information I should know about (we only update certain pages for LTS
versions, etc)?

To help illustrate, I ask because I've got some volunteers for Ubuntu
Learning again. Essentially what we do is link to the help.ubuntu.com
(and /community as needed) as core data for each class, then we write
an outline for an instructor with example exercises and quizzes. Now,
as part of this we want to help the wiki team update the docs, so the
first page we found and wanted to use...

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall

is for 10.04. I have someone ready to review it and make screenshots
reflecting 12.04. Is it ok for him to just jump right in?

Thanks!

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[Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph]

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Benjamin Kerensa <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Glad you reached out about this.... In Q-Cycle their will be a move
> towards a new platform for help.u.c which means migration of all content
> on the entire domain not just /community
>
> The idea behind the transition is to make it much easier to maintain
> the documentation for Ubuntu and to also allow improved usability and
> features.
>
> So at this point it might not be in the best interest of everyone to
> make any changes that might later have to be re-done on the new platform.

Well, I guess my immediate question then is, what do we do about
/community/GraphicalInstall and other major pages that we'd like to
clean up now?

Just edit them to replace 10.04 info with 12.04 info?

Or copy it to some yet-to-be-determined
/community/Lucid/GraphicalInstall or whatever page and then add the
12.04 info?

Or do nothing and wait until next cycle to update these docs when the
new platform is in place?

Thanks everyone.

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[Chris Druif]

What an option is is to make a note what the current revision is and start updating. This can be checked back if it was forgotten but is much easier if you make it a comment on the page itself. Then when the new system is up we can pull back the version that it is now and "back it up" to it's new home.

Just a thought and to get things moving again.

With metta, Chris

On May 1, 2012 1:34 AM, "Elizabeth Krumbach" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Benjamin Kerensa <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Glad you reached out about this.... In Q-Cycle their will be a move
> towards a new platform for help.u.c which means migration of all content
> on the entire domain not just /community
>
> The idea behind the transition is to make it much easier to maintain
> the documentation for Ubuntu and to also allow improved usability and
> features.
>
> So at this point it might not be in the best interest of everyone to
> make any changes that might later have to be re-done on the new platform.

Well, I guess my immediate question then is, what do we do about
/community/GraphicalInstall and other major pages that we'd like to
clean up now?

Just edit them to replace 10.04 info with 12.04 info?

Or copy it to some yet-to-be-determined
/community/Lucid/GraphicalInstall or whatever page and then add the
12.04 info?

Or do nothing and wait until next cycle to update these docs when the
new platform is in place?

Thanks everyone.

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[Matthew East]

On 30 April 2012 05:44, Benjamin Kerensa <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Glad you reached out about this.... In Q-Cycle their will be a move
> towards a new platform for help.u.c which means migration of all content
> on the entire domain not just /community

Did I miss out on a discussion in which this decision was made? If you
could point me to it, I'd be interested in catching up.

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