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On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 01:10:03AM +0100, PleegWat wrote:
 
> On 12/21/2011 02:33 PM, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
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> > Forgive me, I might have completely misunderstood, but can't this
> > sort of thing be defined from within the window manager
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> If you're logging onto the server with PuTTY (via SSH) the window
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Hi all,
After applying some updates onto a Ubuntu web server, I rebooted it.
However it will no longer start, and generates this error in XenCenter:

22/12/2011 09:57:45 Error: Starting VM 'Web Server' - Using <class 'grub.GrubConf.Grub2ConfigFile'>; to parse /boot/grub/grub.cfg - WARNING:root:Unknown directive load_video - WARNING:root:Unknown directive terminal_output - Traceback (most recent call last): - File "/usr/bin/pygrub&quot;, line 746, in ? - raise RuntimeError, "Unable to find partition containing kernel"; - RuntimeError: Unable to find partition containingkernel

This server is mission-critical, so we need it back as soon as possible.
Any ideas guys?
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> > The other option is to use UNetbootin to install it to the hard-drive as
> a live CD with persistent storage.  The easiest way to do this is stick the
> 2GB drive in another machine and run UNetbootin.  Change Type from USB
> Drive to Hard Disk and select the drive from the next box.  You may have to
> format the 2GB drive to FAT before you start, I can't remember.  It may be
> best to ignore my instructions, it is reasonably obvious once UNetbootin is
> running.
>
> I have just tried to install from the live CD and it says I need 4.1GB
> and won't allow me to carry on.

The suggested method was to install using a method know as LiveUSB:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent. Unetbootin is available
in Ubuntu, so the Windows method mentioned on the page will work as well.

You have made the mistake of installing using the normal method of
installing on a Hard disk. This will not work as it does require at least 4
GB to give you a working install that can be easily updated at a later time.

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Hi

> I have a question about the behaviour of a cloned disk.
> I want to copy a20GB disk to a partition on a much larger disk (1TB) of
> 20GB. The disk is bootable with 2 primary partitions (1=ntfs, 1=ext3) and an
> extendedn partition with 5 logical partitions (with different formats).
> If I copy that disk with "dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdd8 bs=1024" will all be
> preserved i.e. are all partitions the same as in the old disk and is the
> disk bootable ( and can grub find the bootable partitions automagically?).
> You can see I don't have much experience with this so I hope somebody with
> more experience can help me out.

I used to perform this for forensic purposes. This method only works
for cloning a sdb that is smaller than sdd8. The partition table will
be exactly the same and bootable. However, assuming sdd8 is 200 GiB,
it will be reduced to 20 GiB since the table is a clone of sdb. As
such, unless this is a short term arrangement, this way of cloning is
not recommended.



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What's a good application for showing what sort of disk has been put
into the CD/DVD drive?  

I currently have xfburn installed and that doesn't tell me anything about
the disk media.

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> What is the most easy way to put ubuntu on a pendrive? Preferably
> withtout leaving windows


Probably unetbootin[0]. When you say you want to "put ubuntu on a
pendrive", what do you then want to do with that pendrive? There's two
common similar-but-different use-cases:

1) A 'live USB' system. On this system, you can boot off the USB stick
into a working Ubuntu install. When you shut down, you lose any chanegs
you've made and the next time you boot off it you get a new system.

2) A system installed onto the USB stick, such that on boot you get an
option between your existing OS (Windows) and the Ubuntu on the USB
stick.

Unetbootin does option 1, 2 is a bit more tricky, but quite doable if
that's what you're after.

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[Richard Owlett-2]

Avi Greenbury wrote:

> [hidden email] wrote:
>> What is the most easy way to put ubuntu on a pendrive? Preferably
>> withtout leaving windows
>
>
> Probably unetbootin[0]. When you say you want to "put ubuntu on a
> pendrive", what do you then want to do with that pendrive? There's two
> common similar-but-different use-cases:
>
> 1) A 'live USB' system. On this system, you can boot off the USB stick
> into a working Ubuntu install. When you shut down, you lose any chanegs
> you've made and the next time you boot off it you get a new system.
>
> 2) A system installed onto the USB stick, such that on boot you get an
> option between your existing OS (Windows) and the Ubuntu on the USB
> stick.
>
> Unetbootin does option 1, 2 is a bit more tricky, but quite doable if
> that's what you're after.
>

I don't know about OP, BUT I'd definitely like a pointer to
                     _CLEAR *AND* CORRECT_
instructions for a modified option 2 -- pendrive must be
bootable when BIOS selects as boot device. My goal is having
identical environment whether using my laptop or desktop
machine.




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[Colin Law-4]

On 22 December 2011 14:17, Richard Owlett <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Avi Greenbury wrote:
>>
>> [hidden email] wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the most easy way to put ubuntu on a pendrive? Preferably
>>> withtout leaving windows
>>
>>
>>
>> Probably unetbootin[0]. When you say you want to "put ubuntu on a
>> pendrive", what do you then want to do with that pendrive? There's two
>> common similar-but-different use-cases:
>>
>> 1) A 'live USB' system. On this system, you can boot off the USB stick
>> into a working Ubuntu install. When you shut down, you lose any chanegs
>> you've made and the next time you boot off it you get a new system.
>>
>> 2) A system installed onto the USB stick, such that on boot you get an
>> option between your existing OS (Windows) and the Ubuntu on the USB
>> stick.
>>
>> Unetbootin does option 1, 2 is a bit more tricky, but quite doable if
>> that's what you're after.
>>
>
> I don't know about OP, BUT I'd definitely like a pointer to
>                    _CLEAR *AND* CORRECT_
> instructions for a modified option 2 -- pendrive must be bootable when BIOS
> selects as boot device. My goal is having identical environment whether
> using my laptop or desktop machine.

Have a look at the instructions at
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download, select the appropriate
options and click Show me now.

Come back if something is not clear.

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[Koh Choon Lin]

Hi

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:06 AM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:
> What is the most easy way to put ubuntu on a pendrive? Preferably withtout leaving windows
>

The easiest way is to boot up Ubuntu CD and use Ubuntu's very own
"Startup Disk Creator" to put Ubuntu to a pendrive.

With a LiveCD, the worst you have in Ubuntu to do is to reboot and try again.


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[Richard Owlett-2]

Colin Law wrote:

> On 22 December 2011 14:17, Richard Owlett<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> Avi Greenbury wrote:
>>>
>>> [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is the most easy way to put ubuntu on a pendrive? Preferably
>>>> withtout leaving windows
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Probably unetbootin[0]. When you say you want to "put ubuntu on a
>>> pendrive", what do you then want to do with that pendrive? There's two
>>> common similar-but-different use-cases:
>>>
>>> 1) A 'live USB' system. On this system, you can boot off the USB stick
>>> into a working Ubuntu install. When you shut down, you lose any chanegs
>>> you've made and the next time you boot off it you get a new system.
>>>
>>> 2) A system installed onto the USB stick, such that on boot you get an
>>> option between your existing OS (Windows) and the Ubuntu on the USB
>>> stick.
>>>
>>> Unetbootin does option 1, 2 is a bit more tricky, but quite doable if
>>> that's what you're after.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know about OP, BUT I'd definitely like a pointer to
>>                     _CLEAR *AND* CORRECT_
>> instructions for a modified option 2 -- pendrive must be bootable when BIOS
>> selects as boot device. My goal is having identical environment whether
>> using my laptop or desktop machine.
>
> Have a look at the instructions at
> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download, select the appropriate
> options and click Show me now.
>
> Come back if something is not clear.
>
> Colin
>

Those seem to be instructions for (expletive deleted) "Live
Install".

I want a Linux installed on a USB stick that is
indistinguishable from what would be on your hard drive if
one had chosen "Install Now" on "Live CD" and chosen "wipe
out my life's work currently on hard drive and any existing OS".

I haven't decided whether to laugh, cry, or stop banging my
head on desk ;)
I've been fighting this for > year. I followed on set of
instructions several months ago and ended up with a dual
boot muck-up with grub on my hard drive and and a
non-bootable install on USB stick.

I think the installation menu on the "Live" device should be:


Install
   to internal drive
      dual boot install
      delete current OS and install as only OS
   to external drive
      specify external drive






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[Colin Law-4]

On 22 December 2011 15:52, Richard Owlett <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Colin Law wrote:
>>
>> On 22 December 2011 14:17, Richard Owlett<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Avi Greenbury wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the most easy way to put ubuntu on a pendrive? Preferably
>>>>> withtout leaving windows
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Probably unetbootin[0]. When you say you want to "put ubuntu on a
>>>> pendrive", what do you then want to do with that pendrive? There's two
>>>> common similar-but-different use-cases:
>>>>
>>>> 1) A 'live USB' system. On this system, you can boot off the USB stick
>>>> into a working Ubuntu install. When you shut down, you lose any chanegs
>>>> you've made and the next time you boot off it you get a new system.
>>>>
>>>> 2) A system installed onto the USB stick, such that on boot you get an
>>>> option between your existing OS (Windows) and the Ubuntu on the USB
>>>> stick.
>>>>
>>>> Unetbootin does option 1, 2 is a bit more tricky, but quite doable if
>>>> that's what you're after.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about OP, BUT I'd definitely like a pointer to
>>>                    _CLEAR *AND* CORRECT_
>>> instructions for a modified option 2 -- pendrive must be bootable when
>>> BIOS
>>> selects as boot device. My goal is having identical environment whether
>>> using my laptop or desktop machine.
>>
>>
>> Have a look at the instructions at
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download, select the appropriate
>> options and click Show me now.
>>
>> Come back if something is not clear.
>>
>> Colin
>>
>
> Those seem to be instructions for (expletive deleted) "Live Install".
>
> I want a Linux installed on a USB stick that is indistinguishable from what
> would be on your hard drive if one had chosen "Install Now" on "Live CD" and
> chosen "wipe out my life's work currently on hard drive and any existing
> OS".

Does not the documents and settings will be stored in reserved extra
space setting, on the last dialog do this for you?

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Richard Owlett wrote:
> I want a Linux installed on a USB stick that is
> indistinguishable from what would be on your hard drive if
> one had chosen "Install Now" on "Live CD" and chosen "wipe
> out my life's work currently on hard drive and any existing OS".

Install VirtualBox and "VirtualBox Extension Pack" from
<https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads> (select the version for your
current OS).

Create a virtual machine without a virtual disk and let it boot from the
ISO file of the Ubuntu version you want to install.

Attach your pendrive to that machine.

Install the Ubuntu system to the pendrive (which is seen as an internal
disk to the virtual machine). Beware - you will lose all your data on
the pendrive and it will be formatted with ext4 afterwards (unless you
use custom partitioning).


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[Avi Greenbury-4]

Richard Owlett wrote:
> I don't know about OP, BUT I'd definitely like a pointer to
>                      _CLEAR *AND* CORRECT_
> instructions for a modified option 2 -- pendrive must be
> bootable when BIOS selects as boot device. My goal is having
> identical environment whether using my laptop or desktop
> machine.

I've not got the bits to hand to try this and write in more detail,
but choosing the USB drive as the installation target for Ubuntu, and
then again as the installation target for Grub (as opposed to the
standard of the primary HDD) should do that for you. Assuming you've
tried that, what didn't work?

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[Liam Proven]

On 22 December 2011 15:52, Richard Owlett <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Those seem to be instructions for (expletive deleted) "Live Install".
>
> I want a Linux installed on a USB stick that is indistinguishable from what
> would be on your hard drive if one had chosen "Install Now" on "Live CD" and
> chosen "wipe out my life's work currently on hard drive and any existing
> OS".
>
> I haven't decided whether to laugh, cry, or stop banging my head on desk ;)
> I've been fighting this for > year. I followed on set of instructions
> several months ago and ended up with a dual boot muck-up with grub on my
> hard drive and and a non-bootable install on USB stick.
>
> I think the installation menu on the "Live" device should be:
>
>
> Install
>  to internal drive
>     dual boot install
>     delete current OS and install as only OS
>  to external drive
>     specify external drive

It's not going to happen, I think.

I too went looking for info on this and failing to find it. But it's
actually quite easy. You just do it. Partition your USB stick first if
you like - GParted works well. Then just choose it as the disk to
install upon, and also be sure to choose the whole device (e.g.
/dev/sdb *NOT* /dev/sdb1) for the installation of the bootloader. DO
NOT PUT THE BOOTLOADER ON YOUR HARD DRIVE. This is the default. It is
ESSENTIAL to override this and tell it to put it on the USB stick.

The easiest way to achieve this is to temporarily disconnect your hard
disk. Then you will have no way to get it wrong, and the USB stick's
GRUB menu will be free of entries for your HD's OS.

Just try it. Forget instructions. Just do it. It's easy. It just works.

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[Richard Owlett-2]

Avi Greenbury wrote:

> Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I don't know about OP, BUT I'd definitely like a pointer to
>>                       _CLEAR *AND* CORRECT_
>> instructions for a modified option 2 -- pendrive must be
>> bootable when BIOS selects as boot device. My goal is having
>> identical environment whether using my laptop or desktop
>> machine.
>
> I've not got the bits to hand to try this and write in more detail,
> but choosing the USB drive as the installation target for Ubuntu, and
> then again as the installation target for Grub (as opposed to the
> standard of the primary HDD) should do that for you. Assuming you've
> tried that, what didn't work?
>

I thought I did ;/
I'm going to follow up in Liam's comments.
He may have prodded where I went wrong.



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[Richard Owlett-2]

Koh Choon Lin wrote:

> Hi
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:06 AM,<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> What is the most easy way to put ubuntu on a pendrive? Preferably withtout leaving windows
>>
>
> The easiest way is to boot up Ubuntu CD and use Ubuntu's very own
> "Startup Disk Creator" to put Ubuntu to a pendrive.
>
> With a LiveCD, the worst you have in Ubuntu to do is to reboot and try again.
>
>

I just tried. According to what appeared on-screen, all went
well ;/
BUT it would not boot :<
Not sure it's worth my time as it makes on screen comments
about "persistent store" whe\ick likely means it creating on
of those "live installs" - explicitly what I do *NOT* want.


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[Liam Proven]

On 24 December 2011 14:27, Richard Owlett <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Koh Choon Lin wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:06 AM,<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the most easy way to put ubuntu on a pendrive? Preferably
>>> withtout leaving windows
>>>
>>
>> The easiest way is to boot up Ubuntu CD and use Ubuntu's very own
>> "Startup Disk Creator" to put Ubuntu to a pendrive.
>>
>> With a LiveCD, the worst you have in Ubuntu to do is to reboot and try
>> again.
>>
>>
>
> I just tried. According to what appeared on-screen, all went well ;/
> BUT it would not boot :<
> Not sure it's worth my time as it makes on screen comments about "persistent
> store" whe\ick likely means it creating on of those "live installs" -
> explicitly what I do *NOT* want.

Yes, the make-a-boot-disk tool just creates live/install media. No use
to me, either.

However, it should boot, even so. If it does not, have you checked
that your BIOS is set to try booting from USB /before/ it boots from
the hard disk?

Does your BIOS actually support booting from USB?

Also note that even if it does, you must use a motherboard-chipset USB
port. The BIOS knows nothing about add-in USB cards and will almost
certainly not boot from a device plugged into one of those.

If your BIOS cannot boot from USB, or you can only use a port on an
add-in card, then the Plop boot manager will help you. I just today
posted a link to it in reply to a comment from Colin Law. If you can't
find that, look on www.plop.at/.


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Liam Proven wrote:

> On 22 December 2011 15:52, Richard Owlett<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>> Those seem to be instructions for (expletive deleted) "Live Install".
>>
>> I want a Linux installed on a USB stick that is indistinguishable from what
>> would be on your hard drive if one had chosen "Install Now" on "Live CD" and
>> chosen "wipe out my life's work currently on hard drive and any existing
>> OS".
>>
>> I haven't decided whether to laugh, cry, or stop banging my head on desk ;)
>> I've been fighting this for>  year. I followed on set of instructions
>> several months ago and ended up with a dual boot muck-up with grub on my
>> hard drive and and a non-bootable install on USB stick.
>>
>> I think the installation menu on the "Live" device should be:
>>
>>
>> Install
>>   to internal drive
>>      dual boot install
>>      delete current OS and install as only OS
>>   to external drive
>>      specify external drive
>
> It's not going to happen, I think.

With Ubuntu's powers-that-be being as paternalistic in their
ow way as MS and Mr. Gates, I find it extremely doubtful
also. I was just stating how I thought it should be done.


>
> I too went looking for info on this and failing to find it. But it's
> actually quite easy. You just do it. Partition your USB stick first if
> you like - GParted works well. Then just choose it as the disk to
> install upon, and also be sure to choose the whole device (e.g.
> /dev/sdb *NOT* /dev/sdb1) for the installation of the bootloader.

That is what I _*THOUGHT*_ I had done.

> DO
> NOT PUT THE BOOTLOADER ON YOUR HARD DRIVE. This is the default. It is
> ESSENTIAL to override this and tell it to put it on the USB stick.

I do not recall an option for doing so.
How is that indicated?
Is it available in 10.10, or do I have to download the ISO
of a different version of the "Live CD"?

>
> The easiest way to achieve this is to temporarily disconnect your hard
> disk. Then you will have no way to get it wrong, and the USB stick's
> GRUB menu will be free of entries for your HD's OS.
>
> Just try it. Forget instructions. Just do it. It's easy. It just works.

Oh ye of over abundant faith. I've having computer failures
for 50 YEARS ;/




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Liam Proven wrote:

> On 24 December 2011 14:27, Richard Owlett<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> Koh Choon Lin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:06 AM,<[hidden email]>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is the most easy way to put ubuntu on a pendrive? Preferably
>>>> withtout leaving windows
>>>>
>>>
>>> The easiest way is to boot up Ubuntu CD and use Ubuntu's very own
>>> "Startup Disk Creator" to put Ubuntu to a pendrive.
>>>
>>> With a LiveCD, the worst you have in Ubuntu to do is to reboot and try
>>> again.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I just tried. According to what appeared on-screen, all went well ;/
>> BUT it would not boot :<
>> Not sure it's worth my time as it makes on screen comments about "persistent
>> store" whe\ick likely means it creating on of those "live installs" -
>> explicitly what I do *NOT* want.
>
> Yes, the make-a-boot-disk tool just creates live/install media. No use
> to me, either.
>
> However, it should boot, even so. If it does not, have you checked
> that your BIOS is set to try booting from USB /before/ it boots from
> the hard disk?
>
> Does your BIOS actually support booting from USB?

YES and YES ;)
I also verified that I could boot by using a USB copy of
Porteus [essentially a Live-only derivative of a Slackware
based distro].

>
> Also note that even if it does, you must use a motherboard-chipset USB
> port. The BIOS knows nothing about add-in USB cards and will almost
> certainly not boot from a device plugged into one of those.
>
> If your BIOS cannot boot from USB, or you can only use a port on an
> add-in card, then the Plop boot manager will help you. I just today
> posted a link to it in reply to a comment from Colin Law. If you can't
> find that, look on www.plop.at/.
>
>

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[Colin Law-4]

On 24 December 2011 17:28, Richard Owlett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> ...
> Oh ye of over abundant faith. I've having computer failures for 50 YEARS ;/

Same here (well 44 years anyway), but generally they have been down to
operator error :(

Colin

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[Richard Owlett-2]

Colin Law wrote:
> On 24 December 2011 17:28, Richard Owlett<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> ...
>> Oh ye of over abundant faith. I've having computer failures for 50 YEARS ;/
>
> Same here (well 44 years anyway), but generally they have been down to
> operator error :(
>
> Colin
>

But the "poor innocent" had said:

"Just try it. Forget instructions. Just do it. It's easy. It
just works."

More seriously, Ubuntu/Canonical/???? has a much more
serious problem!

inadequate *TESTING* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As a sophmoric engineering co-op I got the relevant "wake
up" call.
Ubuntu has yet to receive relevant reality check!




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[Liam Proven]

On Dec 24, 2011 10:36 PM, "Richard Owlett" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Colin Law wrote:
>>
>> On 24 December 2011 17:28, Richard Owlett<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>> Oh ye of over abundant faith. I've having computer failures for 50 YEARS ;/
>>
>>
>> Same here (well 44 years anyway), but generally they have been down to
>> operator error :(
>>
>> Colin
>>
>
> But the "poor innocent" had said:
>
> "Just try it. Forget instructions. Just do it. It's easy. It just works."
>
> More seriously, Ubuntu/Canonical/???? has a much more serious problem!
>
> inadequate *TESTING* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> As a sophmoric engineering co-op I got the relevant "wake up" call.
> Ubuntu has yet to receive relevant reality check!
>
With the best will in the world, I think you're being unrealistic. There are quote a few tens of THOUSANDS of software packages that form part of Ubuntu. Testing every possible interaction is impossible. (Ever heard of the term "combinatorial explosion"?)

In this instance, what you are trying to do /does/ work - I have done it repeatedly in the last 2 months as part of a project I am developing. However, it is nonstandard & has an element of risk.

Have you tried what I suggested yet? I.e. disconnecting your hard disc first?

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[Colin Law-4]

On 24 December 2011 22:35, Richard Owlett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> ...
> More seriously, Ubuntu/Canonical/???? has a much more serious problem!
>
> inadequate *TESTING* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The solution to that is to install 12.04 Alpha and get testing.

Colin

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[Avi Greenbury-4]

Richard Owlett wrote:

> Liam Proven wrote:
> > On 22 December 2011 15:52, Richard Owlett<[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >> Install
> >>   to internal drive
> >>      dual boot install
> >>      delete current OS and install as only OS
> >>   to external drive
> >>      specify external drive
> >
> > It's not going to happen, I think.
>
> With Ubuntu's powers-that-be being as paternalistic in their
> ow way as MS and Mr. Gates, I find it extremely doubtful
> also. I was just stating how I thought it should be done.

They can't respond to demand that they don't know is there - file a
wishlist bug for it and, if enough other people request it, it will be
made available.

> > DO
> > NOT PUT THE BOOTLOADER ON YOUR HARD DRIVE. This is the default. It
> > is ESSENTIAL to override this and tell it to put it on the USB
> > stick.
>
> I do not recall an option for doing so.
> How is that indicated?
> Is it available in 10.10, or do I have to download the ISO
> of a different version of the "Live CD"?

I'm pretty certain that you're asked when using the alternate
installer. I'd not be surprised if, for simplicity's sake, you're not
asked in the GUI installer.

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