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Why the changes to the 18.04 desktop?

Owen Thomas
I have just upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04, and I find the Desktop functions quite differently to the way it used to.

I can no longer press ctrl-space-c to close windows; I have to use the down arrow to select close.

I can no longer alt-tab easily between applications; Pressing alt-tab for some reason merely maximises my current window. Alt-shift-tab brings up the open windows and I can select in there using arrow keys.

Why?

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Re: Why the changes to the 18.04 desktop?

Owen Thomas


On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 10:20, Owen Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have just upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04, and I find the Desktop functions quite differently to the way it used to.

I can no longer press ctrl-space-c to close windows; I have to use the down arrow to select close.

I can no longer alt-tab easily between applications; Pressing alt-tab for some reason merely maximises my current window. Alt-shift-tab brings up the open windows and I can select in there using arrow keys.

Why?

All of this is really frustrating. Wherever the advice to make changes like these came from, it was dud advice.

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Re: Why the changes to the 18.04 desktop?

Owen Thomas


On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 10:49, Owen Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 10:20, Owen Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have just upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04, and I find the Desktop functions quite differently to the way it used to.

I can no longer press ctrl-space-c to close windows; I have to use the down arrow to select close.

I can no longer alt-tab easily between applications; Pressing alt-tab for some reason merely maximises my current window. Alt-shift-tab brings up the open windows and I can select in there using arrow keys.

Why?

All of this is really frustrating. Wherever the advice to make changes like these came from, it was dud advice.

No longer does it appear that the date and time can be displayed at the upper edge of the desktop. It now appears only to show the day of the week, the hour, and the minute.

This sucks because I refer to this information when I name files with the current date and time. This really sucks!

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Re: Why the changes to the 18.04 desktop?

Owen Thomas


On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 11:06, Owen Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 10:49, Owen Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 10:20, Owen Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have just upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04, and I find the Desktop functions quite differently to the way it used to.

I can no longer press ctrl-space-c to close windows; I have to use the down arrow to select close.

I can no longer alt-tab easily between applications; Pressing alt-tab for some reason merely maximises my current window. Alt-shift-tab brings up the open windows and I can select in there using arrow keys.

Why?

All of this is really frustrating. Wherever the advice to make changes like these came from, it was dud advice.

No longer does it appear that the date and time can be displayed at the upper edge of the desktop. It now appears only to show the day of the week, the hour, and the minute.

This sucks because I refer to this information when I name files with the current date and time. This really sucks!

I want to get away from this desktop and perhaps move to 20.04. Is 20.04 even worse?

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Re: Why the changes to the 18.04 desktop?

Owen Thomas
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 11:16, Owen Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:
I want to get away from this desktop and perhaps move to 20.04. Is 20.04 even worse?

The answer to this question is no. I don't know what happened to 18.04, but I'm glad I waited until now to update.

The proper function of Alt-tab appears to have been restored, the clock is displaying the month and day of the month as well as the time (I feel somewhat snubbed that the year has been omitted), but one can still not use ctrl-space c to close a window.

Two out of three aint bad...

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Re: Why the changes to the 18.04 desktop?

Owen Thomas
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 13:16, Owen Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 11:16, Owen Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:
I want to get away from this desktop and perhaps move to 20.04. Is 20.04 even worse?

The answer to this question is no. I don't know what happened to 18.04, but I'm glad I waited until now to update.

The proper function of Alt-tab appears to have been restored, the clock is displaying the month and day of the month as well as the time (I feel somewhat snubbed that the year has been omitted), but one can still not use ctrl-space c to close a window.

Two out of three aint bad...

I also like a clock that displays seconds. Apparently, that doesn't happen either on 20.04.


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Re: Why the changes to the 18.04 desktop?

Volker Wysk
Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 18:33 +1100 schrieb Owen Thomas:

> On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 13:16, Owen Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 11:16, Owen Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > I want to get away from this desktop and perhaps move to 20.04. Is 20.04 even worse?
> > >
> >
> > The answer to this question is no. I don't know what happened to 18.04, but I'm glad I waited until now to update.
> >
> > The proper function of Alt-tab appears to have been restored, the clock is displaying the month and day of the month as well as the time (I feel somewhat snubbed that the year has been omitted),
> > but one can still not use ctrl-space c to close a window.
> >
> > Two out of three aint bad...
> >
>
> I also like a clock that displays seconds. Apparently, that doesn't happen either on 20.04.
>
This can be configured in 20.04 in gnome-tweaks, under "top bar".  I don't know how it is in 18.04.

Bye
Volker

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Re: Why the changes to the 18.04 desktop?

Owen Thomas
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 18:48, Volker Wysk <[hidden email]> wrote:
This can be configured in 20.04 in gnome-tweaks, under "top bar".  I don't know how it is in 18.04.

Thank you. I am now using 20.04.

If I can re-enable alt-space c I think serenity will return.

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Why the changes to the 20.04 desktop?

Owen Thomas
Hmmm... interesting... I can no longer open my previously closed sessions before I closed Firefox because I cannot find where the menu option to do this is.

What has happened to the Firefox menu bar?

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Re: Why the changes to the 20.04 desktop?

Volker Wysk
Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 21:13 +1100 schrieb Owen Thomas:
> Hmmm... interesting... I can no longer open my previously closed sessions before I closed Firefox because I cannot find where the menu option to do this is.

You mean Firefox-sessions, right? It should automatically open the same
windows, which have been open when Firefox was terminated. That's how
it works in my case. I think this can be configured as well, in the Firefox
preferences.

> What has happened to the Firefox menu bar?

If you press the Alt key (alone), then the menu bar appears.

Volker

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Re: Why the changes to the 20.04 desktop?

Oliver Grawert
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hi,
Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 21:13 +1100 schrieb Owen Thomas:
> Hmmm... interesting... I can no longer open my previously closed
> sessions before I closed Firefox because I cannot find where the menu
> option to do this is.
>
> What has happened to the Firefox menu bar?

it went into the "hamburger menu" (the three horizontal stripes at the
top right of the firefox window) like in many other apps with the newer
GNOME desktop ...

note that there is an "ubuntu-unity-desktop" package in universe that
still brings along the old desktop experience (as good as it can
without the unity patches to GNOME) ... it is not actively developed
anymore but in so called "maintenance mode" it is probably an option if
you can not get along at all with plain GNOME.

ciao
        oli

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Re: Why the changes to the 18.04 desktop?

Colin Law
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 10:43, Owen Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 18:48, Volker Wysk <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> This can be configured in 20.04 in gnome-tweaks, under "top bar".  I don't know how it is in 18.04.
>
>
> Thank you. I am now using 20.04.
>
> If I can re-enable alt-space c I think serenity will return.

The top panel settings for date time were configurable via Tweaks in
the same way on 18.04 I believe.

Alt-space should popup the menu with Minimise, Maximise etc, but you
seem to be quite right that then hitting C for Close does not work.  I
haven't used that though, so don't know whether it should.  Can anyone
else comment on this?  In the meantime can you make do with Atl+F4 for
Close Window?

Have a look in Settings > Keyboard Shortcuts and make sure Alt+Tab has
not been mapped to something other than Switch Windows as that is what
it has always done for me.

Colin

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Re: Why the changes to the 20.04 desktop?

Volker Wysk
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Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 12:46 +0200 schrieb Oliver Grawert:

> hi,
> Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 21:13 +1100 schrieb Owen Thomas:
> > Hmmm... interesting... I can no longer open my previously closed
> > sessions before I closed Firefox because I cannot find where the menu
> > option to do this is.
> >
> > What has happened to the Firefox menu bar?
>
> it went into the "hamburger menu" (the three horizontal stripes at the
> top right of the firefox window) like in many other apps with the newer
> GNOME desktop ...
No, the three-lines-menu isn't the same as the menu bar, which appears when pressing Alt.

bye
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Re: Why the changes to the 20.04 desktop?

Owen Thomas
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 21:46, Volker Wysk <[hidden email]> wrote:
Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 21:13 +1100 schrieb Owen Thomas:
> Hmmm... interesting... I can no longer open my previously closed sessions before I closed Firefox because I cannot find where the menu option to do this is.

You mean Firefox-sessions, right? It should automatically open the same
windows, which have been open when Firefox was terminated. That's how
it works in my case. I think this can be configured as well, in the Firefox
preferences.

That's not the way I've experienced Firefox these past years. When you re-open Firefox, the window that was displayed when you exited is usually the only one that is displayed. You then have to open the other windows by selecting Restore Previous Session from the menu bar.
 

> What has happened to the Firefox menu bar?

If you press the Alt key (alone), then the menu bar appears.

Ahhh! Thanks again.

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 21:48, Oliver Grawert <[hidden email]> wrote:
> What has happened to the Firefox menu bar?

it went into the "hamburger menu" (the three horizontal stripes at the
top right of the firefox window) like in many other apps with the newer
GNOME desktop ...

Good to know. Thanks for the tip.


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Re: Why the changes to the 18.04 desktop?

Owen Thomas
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 21:49, Colin Law <[hidden email]> wrote:
Alt-space should popup the menu with Minimise, Maximise etc, but you
seem to be quite right that then hitting C for Close does not work.  I
haven't used that though, so don't know whether it should.  Can anyone
else comment on this?  In the meantime can you make do with Atl+F4 for
Close Window?

Yes, Alt-F4 will work for now, but Alt-Space c was nicer because the keys are close together.

Have a look in Settings > Keyboard Shortcuts and make sure Alt+Tab has
not been mapped to something other than Switch Windows as that is what
it has always done for me.

I've upgraded to 20.04, and I find that the proper functioning of Alt-Tab has returned.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Why the changes to the 18.04 desktop?

Tony Scott-2
The answer is that from this version onwards we are using the standard Gnome desktop with an Ubuntu specific theme.

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020, 12:16 Owen Thomas, <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 21:49, Colin Law <[hidden email]> wrote:
Alt-space should popup the menu with Minimise, Maximise etc, but you
seem to be quite right that then hitting C for Close does not work.  I
haven't used that though, so don't know whether it should.  Can anyone
else comment on this?  In the meantime can you make do with Atl+F4 for
Close Window?

Yes, Alt-F4 will work for now, but Alt-Space c was nicer because the keys are close together.

Have a look in Settings > Keyboard Shortcuts and make sure Alt+Tab has
not been mapped to something other than Switch Windows as that is what
it has always done for me.

I've upgraded to 20.04, and I find that the proper functioning of Alt-Tab has returned.

Thanks for your help.
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Re: Why the changes to the 20.04 desktop?

Oliver Grawert
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hi,
Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 12:51 +0200 schrieb Volker Wysk:

> Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 12:46 +0200 schrieb Oliver Grawert:
> > hi,
> > Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 21:13 +1100 schrieb Owen Thomas:
> > > Hmmm... interesting... I can no longer open my previously closed
> > > sessions before I closed Firefox because I cannot find where the
> > > menu
> > > option to do this is.
> > >
> > > What has happened to the Firefox menu bar?
> >
> > it went into the "hamburger menu" (the three horizontal stripes at
> > the
> > top right of the firefox window) like in many other apps with the
> > newer
> > GNOME desktop ...
>
> No, the three-lines-menu isn't the same as the menu bar, which
> appears when pressing Alt.
>
it is differently organized and has some functions as icons instead of
text entries, but it ofers about 80-90% of the original functionality
without knowing the secret handshake (pressing alt) to bring up the old
menu
... and if you ask an UX designer it is sadly actually the thing that
will replace menubars (for plain GNOME apps it already fully does)...

wether this is progress or insanity is in the eye of teh beholder in
the end i guess :)

ciao
        oli

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Re: Why the changes to the 20.04 desktop?

Tom H-4
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 12:46 PM Volker Wysk <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 21:13 +1100 schrieb Owen Thomas:
>>
>> What has happened to the Firefox menu bar?
>
> If you press the Alt key (alone), then the menu bar appears.

You can make it permanent by right-clicking on the tool bar and
selecting "Menu Bar".

A longer version: click on the three-bar drop-down at the right end of
the tool bar, select "Customize", click on "Toolbars" on the bottom
bar, and select "Menu Bar".

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Re: Why the changes to the 20.04 desktop?

Volker Wysk
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Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 21:59 +1100 schrieb Owen Thomas:

>
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 at 21:46, Volker Wysk <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 21:13 +1100 schrieb Owen Thomas:
> > > Hmmm... interesting... I can no longer open my previously closed sessions before I closed Firefox because I cannot find where the menu option to do this is.
> >
> > You mean Firefox-sessions, right? It should automatically open the same
> > windows, which have been open when Firefox was terminated. That's how
> > it works in my case. I think this can be configured as well, in the Firefox
> > preferences.
>
> That's not the way I've experienced Firefox these past years. When you re-open Firefox, the window that was displayed when you exited is usually the only one that is displayed. You then have to open
> the other windows by selecting Restore Previous Session from the menu bar.
It's in the preferences, at the top, under "Start": "[ ] Restore previous session"

Cheers,
Volker

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Re: Why the changes to the 20.04 desktop?

Volker Wysk
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Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 13:43 +0200 schrieb Oliver Grawert:

> hi,
> Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 12:51 +0200 schrieb Volker Wysk:
> > Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 12:46 +0200 schrieb Oliver Grawert:
> > > hi,
> > > Am Samstag, den 17.10.2020, 21:13 +1100 schrieb Owen Thomas:
> > > > Hmmm... interesting... I can no longer open my previously closed
> > > > sessions before I closed Firefox because I cannot find where the
> > > > menu
> > > > option to do this is.
> > > >
> > > > What has happened to the Firefox menu bar?
> > >
> > > it went into the "hamburger menu" (the three horizontal stripes at
> > > the
> > > top right of the firefox window) like in many other apps with the
> > > newer
> > > GNOME desktop ...
> >
> > No, the three-lines-menu isn't the same as the menu bar, which
> > appears when pressing Alt.
> >
>
> it is differently organized and has some functions as icons instead of
> text entries, but it ofers about 80-90% of the original functionality
> without knowing the secret handshake (pressing alt) to bring up the old
> menu
> ... and if you ask an UX designer it is sadly actually the thing that
> will replace menubars (for plain GNOME apps it already fully does)...
>
> wether this is progress or insanity is in the eye of teh beholder in
> the end i guess :)
I won't like it.  :-(

But it's a matter of habit, I guess.

Volker

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